can't believe #friendica does not support alt-text 🤦♂️
EDIT: it *does* but adding it in your posts is currently non-trivial
#fedi #alttext #fail #ActivityPub
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can't believe #friendica does not support alt-text 🤦♂️
EDIT: it *does* but adding it in your posts is currently non-trivial
#fedi #alttext #fail #ActivityPub
Jupiter Rowland
in reply to ᴚ uɐᗡ • • •@ᴚ uɐᗡ It does support alt-text, technically speaking. It just doesn't have Mastodon's easy-peasy alt-text entry field. And I think if you want to have alt-text on Friendica, you must not handle images the Mastodon way by uploading them to a post draft as file attachments, but you must upload them to your file storage and then embed them, blog-style.
Once you have the image embedding code in your post draft, you must manually graft the alt-text into that code. I'd walk you through it step by step if I could, but I don't know how exactly the code in Friendica looks like.
I can tell you what it looks like and how it works on Hubzilla, though, and since Hubzilla is Friendica's descendant, it should be similar, only that Friendica probably still uses
[url=][/url]
and[img=][/img]
instead of[zrl=][/zrl]
and[zmg=][/zmg]
.So when you embed an image into a post on Hubzilla, the code l
... show more@ᴚ uɐᗡ It does support alt-text, technically speaking. It just doesn't have Mastodon's easy-peasy alt-text entry field. And I think if you want to have alt-text on Friendica, you must not handle images the Mastodon way by uploading them to a post draft as file attachments, but you must upload them to your file storage and then embed them, blog-style.
Once you have the image embedding code in your post draft, you must manually graft the alt-text into that code. I'd walk you through it step by step if I could, but I don't know how exactly the code in Friendica looks like.
I can tell you what it looks like and how it works on Hubzilla, though, and since Hubzilla is Friendica's descendant, it should be similar, only that Friendica probably still uses
[url=][/url]
and[img=][/img]
instead of[zrl=][/zrl]
and[zmg=][/zmg]
.So when you embed an image into a post on Hubzilla, the code looks like this:
[zrl=URL of image viewing page in your file storage][zmg=WidthxHeight]URL of Image file[/zmg][/zrl]
The first thing you do is cut the image file URL and paste it over the image size in the
Now you've got a place for the alt-text, namely in-between[zmg=]
tag. The image size is usually quite unnecessary, and it degrades the quality of the image.[zmg=]
and[/zmg]
.[zrl=URL of image viewing page in your file storage][zmg=URL of Image file]Alt-text[/zmg][/zrl]
On Hubzilla, this works absolutely well. I've done it myself countless times already.
I think Friendica works largely the same, only that it uses
[url=][/url]
instead of[zrl=][/zrl]
and[img=][/img]
instead of[zmg=][/zmg]
.#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #AltText
ᴚ uɐᗡ
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •someone replied to one of my posts about how everyone should use all texts with the information that Friendica didn't support it
I've never used Friendica myself
if the process is really that involved I hope they can fix it
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ᴚ uɐᗡ
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ᴚ uɐᗡ
in reply to ᴚ uɐᗡ • • •@jupiter_rowland @claralistensprechen3rd I mean nobody's going to do whatever it is you just described literally nobody
I say this is one of fedi's biggest fans
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Clara Listensprechen
in reply to ᴚ uɐᗡ • •Jupiter Rowland
in reply to ᴚ uɐᗡ • • •@ᴚ uɐᗡ
Well, that process is geared towards what Friendica actually is. And Friendica is neither a Twitter-style micro-blogging project nor inspired by Mastodon. It's almost 6 years older than Mastodon, designed as a Facebook alternative and meant to be perfectly capable of long-form macro-blogging.
#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica
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ᴚ uɐᗡ
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •Jupiter Rowland
in reply to ᴚ uɐᗡ • • •@ᴚ uɐᗡ If you mean an update that makes Friendica handle 100% like Mastodon to make things easier for Mastodon converts, then no. That'd sacrifice image embedding.
Essentially, Friendica would need an alt-text field for Mastodon-style file attachment images, and it'd need an even more advanced WYSIWYG post editor which includes some kind of alt-text field for each embedded image.
Also, AFAIK, there are no dedicated mobile apps for Friendica, and Friendica doesn't support the Mastodon API due to both being so vastly different from Mastodon in its architecture and six years older than Mastodon. What few general Fediverse apps work with Friendica only work barely so and don't even support a tiny fraction of what Friendica can do. Friendica is typically used in a standard Web browser.
CC: @Clara Listensprechen
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #AltText
ᴚ uɐᗡ
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland @claralistensprechen2 wow thanks for your considered response
I may have to create an account and check it out
ᴚ uɐᗡ
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland hang on a sec..
how did you reply to that specific part of my toot? If it's a Friendica feature do you know how it encoded it such that it rendered it inline so nicely?
Thank you for your insights
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Jupiter Rowland
in reply to ᴚ uɐᗡ • • •@ᴚ uɐᗡ It's called a quote. Standard feature on Friendica, Hubzilla (where I am), (streams), the now-deceased rest of the family, Misskey and all its forks etc., basically everywhere that isn't Mastodon.
Within Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams), it's handled basically the same way as on good old bulletin-board forums: in BBcode.
[quote]if the process is really that involved and if they can fix it[/quote]
(streams) also has ways of doing that with Markdown or HTML.
There are various different ways of getting that code, also depending on whether one replies to a post or a comment.
ActivityPub uses Rich Text for formatting. So Friendica converts this into the corresponding formatting in Rich Text, and on Hubzilla and (streams), the optional ActivityPub bridge PubCrawl does that.
Mastodon, in turn, has introduced some Rich Text displaying capabilities with version 4.0.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #TextFormatting #BBcode #RichText
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ᴚ uɐᗡ
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland
I have much to learn. I am hopeful that Mastodon will allow more in this manner perhaps Rich Text *posting* not just *rendering*, if I am reading you correctly.
ᴚ uɐᗡ
in reply to ᴚ uɐᗡ • • •Jupiter Rowland
in reply to ᴚ uɐᗡ • • •@ᴚ uɐᗡ It most likely won't. I guess it'd be "un-Mastodon-like".
My advice to Mastodon users who crave certain features that Mastodon doesn't have, but that are readily available elsewhere in the Fediverse is: Don't sit and wait until your Mastodon instance introduces that feature. If you want it, go where you can have it.
I've written a very long post on this topic almost a year ago.
Might open in Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu/110028486205300367
Original: https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f9350c4f-6a44-41aa-8eaf-277a41cf8d1b
If you really want to be able to quote, it isn't worth waiting for quotes to be implemented on Ma
... show more@ᴚ uɐᗡ It most likely won't. I guess it'd be "un-Mastodon-like".
My advice to Mastodon users who crave certain features that Mastodon doesn't have, but that are readily available elsewhere in the Fediverse is: Don't sit and wait until your Mastodon instance introduces that feature. If you want it, go where you can have it.
I've written a very long post on this topic almost a year ago.
Might open in Mastodon: https://mastodon.social/@jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu/110028486205300367
Original: https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/item/f9350c4f-6a44-41aa-8eaf-277a41cf8d1b
If you really want to be able to quote, it isn't worth waiting for quotes to be implemented on Mastodon. Try Iceshrimp or Sharkey instead; the latter even lets you import your post backlog from Mastodon AFAIK.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta
Jupiter Rowland
2023-03-15 17:30:41
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ᴚ uɐᗡ
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • • •@jupiter_rowland nice read, thank you!
I also have a small (mostly vanilla Mastodon) instance which at least addresses the character limit thing. I set it to 11001 for reasons.. I almost set it to "the text length of Alice's Restaurant" which would have been *better* reasons. I guess it's not too late.
I do want to be able to use those formatting options though.
hackbyte (friendica) 13HB1
in reply to ᴚ uɐᗡ • • •@ᴚ uɐᗡ Sure does friendica support alt text..
Who tells you that it can't?
ᴚ uɐᗡ
in reply to hackbyte (friendica) 13HB1 • • •@hackbyte someone on friendica because it's not I guess is easy to do as it is here... within the media upload of the post
but I've never used it myself
Seph Harrison
in reply to ᴚ uɐᗡ • • •ᴚ uɐᗡ
in reply to Seph Harrison • • •@taur10 I just learned about that apparently that's because Mastodon did something new and different, co-opting the summary field or something
so apparently it doesn't really make sense for them to change that on friendico because you still need a summary field that have to add a whole new one
it would be nice if they could figure out the alt text thing now and make that easy
Clara Listensprechen
in reply to ᴚ uɐᗡ • •Jupiter Rowland
in reply to Clara Listensprechen • • •Clara Listensprechen
in reply to Jupiter Rowland • •informapirata :privacypride:
in reply to ᴚ uɐᗡ • • •Clara Listensprechen
in reply to informapirata :privacypride: • •Myth: there's a software out there that is for everyone. #FactCheck
Mastodon isn't flawlessly straightforward. Friendica isn't flawlessly straightforward. Diaspora isn't flawlessly straightforward. Twitter sure as hell wasn't. Never ran into any software anywhere that was.
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informapirata :privacypride:
in reply to Clara Listensprechen • • •@claralistensprechen3rd the definition of "simple" is not... simple! 😅
Lemmy, for example, is the easiest software to use in the Fediverse, even more so than Mastodon, but the audience culture is more akin to Twitter than Reddit: so Mastodon is generally easier to use.
Friendica for example, compared to Hubzilla is very simple, but in terms of user experience it is objectively complex.
informapirata :privacypride:
in reply to informapirata :privacypride: • • •This is why everyone must try different software to find the one that best suits their personality and way of communicating
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