PS this is what I mean about the MSM and tech press jumping on the Bluesky hype bubble. It's complete with really shitty clickbait headlines like "Bluesky's best shot at success is to embrace shitposting" or "'BlueSky' wants to market itself as a 'Musk-free' space, says CEO". I can almost see the alien bat baby on the cover of Weekly World News supermarket tabloids when reading these search results LOL. Honestly this feels like an episode of the HBO show Silicon Valley almost at this point. #bluesky #msm #technews
@Hank G ☑️ What to learn from that however: Communication matters. Bluesky knows well how to do that. Mastodon to some degree also knows how to do that. "The Fediverse" as a concept, a structure, a community, doesn't. Or doesn't have the power, structure, organization, ... to do so. That's why it will go unnoticed and slip the attention of just too many people. Even if 90% of this is rubbish and utter bs, it ... still will reach people, it will get people involved, it will get people eager to try out this stuff and (in the end) maybe cause a critical mass of people gather there, forming a next Twitter on maybe another proprietary platform.
@Kristian @Hank G ☑️ In my opinion Friendica, misskey(or calckey) and pixelfed are superior to mastodon, but it has the sexiest marketing stratagy. Unless we build something like that, the rest of the fediverse is going to be stuck in oblivion. Why my job so far, since I have poor programming skills, has been to educate and try to market the rest of the fediverse on youtube but I'm not the sexiest salesperson lol.
@anubis2814 Yes. I'd even put it another way: It's not that Mastodon has the sexiest marketing strategy - it seems to be the only federated software that actually has _any_ kind of marketing strategy that deserves this name (as in "trying to find a particular target group", "trying to figure out how to reach that target group" and "trying to build something that works as good as it possibly can for that target group"). I see why this is the case for Mastodon, but I lack ideas how to do the same for other (technically superior) platforms... .
@Anders Rytter Hansen @Hank G ☑️ @Kristian Its getting there much more quickly that it was. More developers are working on it than before, why we finally got the photo posting upgrade we've been wanting after all this time. I see a lot of new names in the commits these days.
@Anders Rytter Hansen Actually tried that several times and it wasn't really a success story so far. Re-occurring issues: User interface glitches, some features that are great but hard to understand and use well, some somewhat odd behaviours when working with networks like Diaspora (in example who sees comments if both activitypub and Diaspora users comment on your posts), and then a whole slew of issues not caused directly by Friendica but rather by interoperability with other platforms (such as posts appearing broken, content warnings not working two-way, ...). Mastodon is way more limited here, but it has a clearly defined, polished feature set that seems to "just work" both on the same and across multiple Mastodon instances. 😶 @Hank G ☑️ @anubis2814
Yes if you stay in one network then you can get consistency. Now that Mastodon is the biggest part of the fediverse its behaviors are going to be the benchmark for now. So even when Mastodon does stuff that isn't quite right it is something that the blame gets put on the rest of the AP platforms that interoperate with it. Kris Nova in her Twitch about leaving the fediverse made the point about how distributed platforms almost always fail when they assume that they have the sole control over everything even when they objectively they do not.
@Hank G ☑️ I think this consistency thing is important and chronically underrated or downplayed by the open community to be honest. This is what non-tech users, most likely, will simply expect, and ... most of the reasons not to strive for that consistency seem disputable. At least to me. 🙃
Yes but the point is right now there really isn’t a lot of Mastodon caring about how what they do may break other services. I get it, they have limited resources to get things done too. It still leaves a bad taste in peoples mouth when the “I have the biggest bat so just deal with it” MO goes from just having to deal with reality to “this is a good thing”. “Well if you don’t like it then build your own thing,” is the usual retort by the big bat holder. Then it’s back to the segmentation and inconsistency thing again.
@Hank G ☑️ True. But this also gets amplified by a community that at least recently seems much more eager to roll new greenfield solutions than to make existing things better. Not a way to fight fragmentation, in general. 😔
There are very few users on Friendica (like me). would be great with more users so the interest for it would increase, lets say in app selections for example. Almost all apps are made for Mastodon and while friendica supports mastodon's api, these apps dont support all friendica's features such as the dislike button.
That was my original logic to not including dislikes in the UI but several people want it so I added it to the Mastodon API as an extension and plan to roll it out in Relatica in the very near future.
@Anders Rytter Hansen Yes. Definitely so. Actually, some of the Mastodon clients work well, but I catch myself more and more, on mobile, to use e-mail notifications and the browser for using Friendica, which works better at times (yet is something hard to communicate in days in which having a "good" app seems a must-have for wider adoption). Looking forward to seeing Relatica grow, here. @Hank G ☑️ @anubis2814
It is public in that anyone can get access to it but it is not at release status so in the app stores. The downloads for non-Apple platforms are all at this link. Anyone that wants access to the beta program through TestFlight can DM me or message me on Matrix. There is a limit to how many people can beta test but it isn't practically relevant for our user base size. https://gitlab.com/mysocialportal/relatica/-/blob/main/install.md
@Anders Rytter Hansen @Hank G ☑️ @Kristian Other than easy article sharing and notifications the browser app does everything an actual app could do. But people I've talked to are scared to do anything that doesn't involve a dedicated app sadly. I actually like not being bugged by notifications by my social media.
The mobile web app version of Friendica was definitely usable in most cases. But it still wasn't where it needed to be, especially with respect to things like lower bandwidth situations and wanting to do something like just take a picture and post it in a streamlined way.
@anubis2814 Yes. 😔 (Even for notifications, using mail messages + IMAP push in my mail client managed to fixed that.) What's really a tad messy however in the browser is following links to other profiles and interacting with these - which in most cases will get you to some Mastodon/Friendica/Misskey/Diaspora public profile on a remote instance where you aren't logged in and can't interact with in a meaningful way in the browser. There are some addins to fix that but they seem to work only in desktop browsers and mostly only with Mastodon.
Another thing sorely needing addressing in Friendica is performance. Even when thinning things out by using the API the speed response times are just way too long. Some DB optimization can help but I think what is needed more is query caching with Redis. Once I get Relatica up to 1.0 status I’m thinking of looking into making Redis integration a thing (optional of course).
It’s a failure of tech media to recognize anything outside their bubble.
Sure there are problems with the fediverse but a lot of that is due the the funding stream. Some people want free and easy without recognising servers cost money and skill to administer. Free requires a wealthy benefactor with personal motivations for providing services and they will want censorship privileges.
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