@anubis2814 Neither the #USA, nor #Israel are perfect & both have made mistakes & have had poor leaders… At least American soldiers didn’t call their families from murdered Vietnamese phones to brag about how many they killed with their own hands. #IDF takes great pains to minimize civilian casualties… #JihadistDeathCults like #Hamas relish death & martydom of “infidels” & Muslims alike. There is no reasoning or negotiation possible w/savage & suicidal religious zealots.
In an interview, Ghazi Hamad, a senior Hamas member openly praises the brutal attack on Israeli civilians on October 7, vowing to replicate such assaults unt...
@Properganda @anubis2814 both sides show genocidal intent. Yes, Hamas does it more violently. Israel knows to be more careful in its appearance, but even before October this year has been the most violent one, with Palestinian victims being much more, and with West Bank being under continuous pressure by armed settlers with documented government and military support
I'm thinking it's still supposed to be wrong... but that nobody's got the stones to band together to enforce international war crimes laws. So Putin is killing off Ukrainian people, now with impunity because we're bored of that (& nobody remembers the USSR), & this Hamas thing has better underground tunnels... kind of like what El Chapo built to bring crazy amounts of drugs from Mexico into SoCal, in the desert. We have no attention span or commitment.
Does @randahl know RAF did the same thing to cities like Darmstadt when fighting against Nazis? With much less concern for children than Israel shows in Gaza.
@ZillaMon @snack Both a condemnable. However Israel is the one with all the power to make the difference, and should choose peace over territory, but it always chooses territory.
Israel isn't aiming to kill civilians, it's fighting an enemy in an urban environment, who is intentionally locating their militants, their hq, their weapons manufacturing and storage, right in schools, hospitals, in civilian apartments
The only way to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza is to surrender to Hamas, which btw would yield many Israeli civilian casualties
When I grew up, the leaders of our enemies cared about their children and their own sick. They attacked us from army bases. They did not fire at us from the homes of their own babies, and from the hospitals of their own sick.
Nowadays, the have turned the homes of their babies and the hospitals of theior own sick into army bases. Israel attacks army bases, regardless of how they call them.
It's sad that this is the world we must live in. But we must fight those who shoot at us.
@EyalL You know very well, civilian casualty counts depends on the type of mission chosen.
Whenever there is a group of terrorists in a shopping mall in an EU country, we send in the SWAT team to kill the terrorists. We do not bomb the entire mall with civilians inside.
Israel has chosen to drop 1,000 bombs per day on an area with a population density of London. That was not the only option, but Israel chose this solution, and that choice has led to civilian casualties.
@Randahl Fink Many times hit hospital in Ashkelon and nobody in the world demonstrated. No, there is no military HQ in this hospital. Not like in Gaza.
@martin the answer is to kill every single member of Hamas. The answer is not to indiscriminately bomb an area with a population density of London thereby killing thousands of civilians.
@TruthSandwich When you grew up did you ignore the war crime of using civilian structures like hospitals for military purposes (as well as storing hostages taken which is also a war crime)?
When you grew up #hamas had not yet invented the ultimate propaganda weapon: running a terror organization hiding behind women and children in a hospital.
@snack war? How can oppressed people living in worlds largest concentration camp be at war?
This.is apartheid and the oprressed had enough of their chains. once again. How can they be at war with a nuclear power with a weapons budget of billions of $ ?
And people like you support mass killings, sadist tortures, collective punishment, because?
Btw, idf has been using human shields (children too), for decades. you probably never really question your sources.
@uhuru @snack they butn d civilians alive you ghoul. They cut the fingers of a boy in front of a father, then cut the feet of the father, before they killed them. They sat down and finished the breakfast of the families as their bodies lay around. They took smoking breaks as they dragged foreign workers into killing rooms. They took many hours killing civilians. They proudly called their mothers to brag. They streamed the killings. There is no give and take.
The horrific violence of 7 October can no more justify killing Palestinian children than the ongoing mass murder of Palestinian children could justify another 7 October.
Suffering an undeserved harm cannot justify causing unjustified harm. If it did, it would apply as equally to innocent Palestinians as it does to innocent Israelis.
Hamas’ war crime of using human shields can no more justify the killing of innocent people than the IDF’s war crime of using human shields can justify the killing of innocent people.
was it also wrong to unleash tunnels underneath one and stockpile weapons and fuel and let terrorists live and work there? Wa s or wrong for terrorist to hold patients hostage at gunpoint, so that no one would try to root the terrorists out or the hospital and out of the tunnels? Or do you let terrorists live and work from your home, pretending you too are a civilian?
There’s this really simple saying that I can’t quite remember but I feel is relevant here. Something about two wrongs not making something. Can’t put my finger on it tho.
@TruthSandwich @gavinisdie there are still civilians inside, they should be protected even when in military bases. This is exactly the reason _both_sides_ use them as human shields
How about landing paratroopers in foreign countries, kidnapping people from music festivals, taking people hostage, using your neighbors and families as human shields, and killing children in their commune beds?
Were those things also wrong when you were growing up?
One thing can be multiple war crimes (that you don’t bother to discuss) and another can be fighting terrorism with casualties wrongly called war crimes.
A look at your posting history shows this to be true. Your swallowing Hamas PR, including claims that Israel bombed a hospital (when multiple outside investigators found it was Islamic State) and your repeated posts about “pro-IDF denialists” says everything…
Israel withdrew unilaterally exited Gaza in 2005, Gazans elected Hamas. In what regards *internal* matters , it’s not on anybody else except Gazans to kick Hamas out of power. Self determination, remember?
@TruthSandwich @sibrosan how many civilians is it ok to kill per Hamas member? One? Ten? A thousand? Would it be ok to nuke Gaza? It'd be Hamas fault after all, right?
@TruthSandwich 1. More than half of Gaza was *born* after Hamas was last elected. 2. There hasn't been a vote since. 3. Netanyahu propped and financed Hamas. Without Israel's government's strategy, Hamas would be a few hundred guys in the lunatic fringe. 4. You don't get to Kill ten thousand people and say it's fine because there were 60 terrorist in between and claim it's just fine
@steviesyerda @mapto @anubis2814 Thanks for displaying your ignorance & brainwashing on the topic. 🤡 I suggest you go live under Sharia Law, Putin’s Russia, China or North Korea, since that’s obviously the culture & systems you prefer to democracy. #FascistFan
@steviesyerda @mapto @anubis2814 Palestinians could’ve had their own State long ago, but rejected every opportunity. Palestinians live under corrupt PA & jihadist #Hamas —who were elected in Gaza a year after Israel unilaterally withdrew in 2005 (no elections since), followed by rockets, terror tunnels, suicide bombers, abductions, etc. Try actually educating yourself instead of just swallowing & repeating BS lies you see on social media.
@letsbekind2 @steviesyerda @anubis2814 If you don’t believe me, or Biden, HRC, Bernie Sanders, Ritchie Torres, etc… then listen to this Palestinian & former #Hamas member w/ lived experience & intimate knowledge… Unless ofcourse you subscribe to the hateful & violent ideology of #IslamicJihad
I am normally extraordinarily reluctant to accuse someone of being a paid troll. There are so very, very many people willing to be assholes online for free and it seems like a terrible waste of someone’s money.
But if anyone is, it’s this person, who created a bunch of these accounts to spam the fediverse with this nonsense.
A grand total of 11% of all Palestinians cast ballots for Hamas in 2006, giving Hamas a slim plurality of votes. Hamas did not even with a plurality in all of the electoral districts of Gaza; it won only two of five in the strip.
Here you are lying & ignoring actual #apartheid as well as the innocent #HamasHostages & victims, because you’re blinded by hate for #israel and/or #Jews
We might consider that any Jewish person in the world can move to Israel and receive citizenship while Palestinians expelled from their homes in 1948 cannot even visit.
Russia’s meddling in the United States’ elections is not a hoax. It’s the culmination of Moscow’s decades-long campaign to tear the West apart. “Operation I...
Okay, kids, this is where the adult steps in to point out that each side wants to obliterate the other, and that does amount to having a desire for genocide, and by "each side" I mean the governments thereof. Most Israeli Jews and most Jewish diaspora are against the land-grabby ultra orthodox in charge of Israel's government right now, and most Palestinians feel stuck with Hamas since 2006, which Hamas is aware of which is why it doesn't have elections. Anyone who claims that all Gazans are terrorists because they elected Hamas in 2006 are liars, and all Hamas supporters who claim that no hospitals are military operations are also liars. Both-sides-ism fits to a tee in this case.
BTW, there were many good Germans in nazi Germany as good Russians in today's nazi ruSSia. But hey cannot be reason for appeasement and submission, right?
My dear, dear @Martin Kostera --it appears you're not familiar with the word "anyone". Please make better use of a dictionary, thanks.
And while you're at it, consult a dictionary for the term "stereotype", because that's what you're currently doing. And/or hire a translator who translates whatever the hell your native tongue is into English. Thanks.
Famously, the only two options when confronted with a threat are “indiscriminate murder of anyone near anyone who might be an adversary” or “appeasement and abject surrender.”
@steviesyerda @letsbekind2 @anubis2814 again… I understand you’re mentally challenged but please try & get this through your head… you are misinformed! Israel isn’t perfect —who is? But the biggest oppressor of Palestinians are their own “leaders”, the Islamic “Republic” of Iran & their corrupt & brutal terrorist proxies & the toxic ideology of #Jihadism
إسأل حلاوة هو مشروع يوتيوب جديد يهدف إلى الإجابة على اسئلة المشاهدين العرب من الشرق الأوسط والعالم عن إسرائيل واليهود.Ask Halawa is a new YouTube project aim...
@steviesyerda @letsbekind2 @anubis2814 you able to define & identity #apartheid accurately yet? Apparently not. You’re only capable of repeating the same tried BS like broken record. SAD!
It absolutely is true, but it’s also absolutely absurd to suggest that the only available alternative to killing 11,000 people—including thousands of children and hundreds of doctors and nurses—is surrender.
As a general rule, it’s inadvisable to respond to a hostage crisis by blowing up every house in which a hostage might be held.
Chris Cuomo speaks with Mosab Hassan Yousef (author, “Son of Hamas: A Gripping Account of Terror, Betrayal, Political Unthinkable Choices”), the son of a Ham...
@steviesyerda @letsbekind2 @anubis2814 This #Palestinian & son of #Hamas founder, has lived it & is better qualified to answer your question better than anyone… You keep repeating same BS propaganda & ignoring the answer —because it debunks your preferred #Jewhate narrative & programming. SAD!
@HeavenlyPossum Do not copy/paste Hamas BS. They declared 11 000 dead civilians including 471 dead in Al Ahli which never happened. You believe in such BS, do not do that.
Besides, every militant magically change to civilian right after his death. Tons of videos are about it. #Pallywood
Why you write "blowing up every house in which a hostage might be held" when you have to know it's stupid nonsense? They want their ppl back, not to kill them. And working on it even with US special forces(IDK which all are involved).
Homework: study how was Mosul liberated from ISIS and compare to Gaza.
@HeavenlyPossum Again wrong. Correct version: "Everyone who lies is liar." And Hamas are masters at lying. Proved many times. Only 🐑believe them anymore. Remember Al Ahli? Absolute disgrace.
@HeavenlyPossum Yes. And source is Hamas. HRW - the pot calling the kettle black. Like Amnesty, like BBC, like NYT,... Remember Al Ahli? Absolute disgrace. But you don't. You're pushing out inconvenient information. You ignore even dozen thousands missiles fired by poor Gazans onto Israel. Never existed, right? If you want to believe to liars and to lies, go on. Your problem. I'm too tired to crack your so obvious and easily checked bias more.
Incredible: you picked a different report, this one about Hamas, that *is specifically about and critical of Hamas’ human rights violations,* to try to make claims that HRW unreliable and that the report I cited was sourced from Hamas.
I realize English is not your first language, so I strongly recommend that you study some more to help with your comprehension.
You have completely, utterly misunderstood everything here. You cited a Human Rights Watch report *critical of Hamas* in an attempt to make a point about HRW’s bias, and you don’t even seem to realize what you did.
The report was by Human Rights Watch using information they collected in Lebanon. You’re a fucking clown.
I don't think it's about my English, but your brain. Even your link of HRW say:
Heavy bombardment of Gaza by Israeli forces since October 7 has killed, according to Gaza’s Health Ministry, more than 11,000 Palestinians...
And who is in the seat of Gaza’s Health Ministry? Martian?
So no, it's identically 11,000 casualties like from my link. Same source: HAMAS. If you still don't get it, you have big brain problem. Try basic school, or so.
You are eating BS so you produce BS. Try to use brain next time.
You know, Israeli propaganda departament isn't known for telling the truth either. You're telling the other side they're falling for the lies without noticing -- or perhaps just ignoring -- that your side of the argument is just as bad.
But no matter, y'all Israeli apologists are giant hypocrites.
Setting aside the fact that the Gaza casualty numbers have been corroborated by UNICEF; setting aside the fact that the US government thinks the casualty count is *too low.*
Hamas would release up to 15 people in exchange for a 48-hour humanitarian pause by Israel, acording to a deal under discussion. The U.S. called for limits on Israeli control of Gaza.
@HeavenlyPossum Of course I'm still talking about number of dead. You started. But you are incapable to understand simple logic. Loser with bad brain. You are eating BS so you produce BS. Try to use brain next time.
@RD Yes, you also copy/paste Hamas BS. Another intelligent on scene. And Al Ahli was destroyed by Israeli with 471 casualties. Understood. 😁
And yes, nobody cares about palestinian Arabs. Even in arabic/islamic states. Except when Israel/Jews are involved. Do you want proof? https://twitter.com/TerryMoran/status/1725558105415536913 Try to use your brains this time and find why.
@HeavenlyPossum You are demasked liar, not very clever anti-Israel troll. Feel free to keep looking for titles and subjects. Nobody cares. What matters is that you eat Hamas BS about casualties.
Martin believes HRW is biased and unreliable, which would seem to imply that he disagrees with HRW’s conclusions—in the report that Martin linked to!—that Hamas has committed numerous war crimes.
Why would Martin defend Hamas from charges of committing war crimes? Possibly a troll for Hamas.
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#Hamas #Hezbollah #Iran #Putin #CCP #NK = #EnemiesOfHumanity They must be defeated —NOT enabled!
#FreePalestineFromHamas #BringThemHome #DefendDemocracy #StandWithIsrael #StandWithUkraine #StopJihadism #StopPutin
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/hamas-terrorist-calls-his-parents-with-israeli-victims-phone-to-brag-about-slaughter-your-son-killed-jews/ar-AA1iLVgN
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in reply to Martin Ruskov • • •@mapto @anubis2814 comparison to what? This?
https://youtu.be/BJNccvNJtGk?si=ZW_r4C3fyPz3i4qr
Hamas Terrorist's Shocking Interview Threatens To Repeat October 7 Attack "Again & Again, Till.."
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"#IDF takes great pains to minimize civilian casualties…"
Not so sure about that.
Properganda
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OK, then you can believe #HamasMinistryOfHealth & the blatantly #Antiisrael #UN & I’ll believe all knowledgeable & credible like this Palestinian & #sonofhamas
https://youtu.be/c2NaiX-hvVQ?si=5nPrnTFLH2XC_V2A
Son of Hamas Shocks U.N. Delegates as PLO Abuses Exposed
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in reply to anubis2814 • • •Plenty of people said that was wrong at the time too, including many veterans.
lolonurse
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in reply to Zilla • • •Both a condemnable. However Israel is the one with all the power to make the difference, and should choose peace over territory, but it always chooses territory.
EyalL
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Unknown parent • • •@TruthSandwich
"When you grew up, did the hospitals contain Hamas HQ?"
Do they now, actually? It's being used as an excuse, but where's the proof?
EyalL
Unknown parent • • •@TruthSandwich @sibrosan
Also we have videos with findings
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel-at-war/1699910490-idf-spokesperson-says-evidence-shows-israeli-hostages-were-held-at-al-rantisi-hospital-in-gaza
IDF reveals how Gaza's Al-Rantisi Hospital was transformed into terror base
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in reply to EyalL • • •WhichOne'sPink 🇫🇮
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Some folks just don't care.
(See; The bombing of Dresden).
Randahl Fink
Unknown parent • • •@andrewfelix imagine this being Sydney or Copenhagen, and the local police SWAT team said,
"Sure we bombed a couple of the hospitals, a university and a few places of worship, but that was all because a terrorist group did something wrong!"
EyalL
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Israel isn't aiming to kill civilians, it's fighting an enemy in an urban environment, who is intentionally locating their militants, their hq, their weapons manufacturing and storage, right in schools, hospitals, in civilian apartments
The only way to avoid civilian casualties in Gaza is to surrender to Hamas, which btw would yield many Israeli civilian casualties
Ridin' with Biden
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in reply to Randahl Fink • • •When I grew up, the leaders of our enemies cared about their children and their own sick. They attacked us from army bases. They did not fire at us from the homes of their own babies, and from the hospitals of their own sick.
Nowadays, the have turned the homes of their babies and the hospitals of theior own sick into army bases. Israel attacks army bases, regardless of how they call them.
It's sad that this is the world we must live in. But we must fight those who shoot at us.
Randahl Fink
in reply to EyalL • • •@EyalL You know very well, civilian casualty counts depends on the type of mission chosen.
Whenever there is a group of terrorists in a shopping mall in an EU country, we send in the SWAT team to kill the terrorists. We do not bomb the entire mall with civilians inside.
Israel has chosen to drop 1,000 bombs per day on an area with a population density of London. That was not the only option, but Israel chose this solution, and that choice has led to civilian casualties.
There is no excuse.
Martin Kostera
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •@Randahl Fink Many times hit hospital in Ashkelon and nobody in the world demonstrated. No, there is no military HQ in this hospital. Not like in Gaza.
By Gazans murdered children I will not post.
Randahl Fink
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •✦ 𝚜 𝚑 𝚎 𝚙 𝚐 𝚘 ✦
Unknown parent • • •When you grew up did you ignore the war crime of using civilian structures like hospitals for military purposes (as well as storing hostages taken which is also a war crime)?
HeavenlyPossum
in reply to ✦ 𝚜 𝚑 𝚎 𝚙 𝚐 𝚘 ✦ • • •@shepgo @TruthSandwich
One war crime does not create license for another war crime.
Two things can be bad and impermissible at the same time.
Hovedorganet
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •uhuru
Unknown parent • • •@snack war? How can oppressed people living in worlds largest concentration camp be at war?
This.is apartheid and the oprressed had enough of their chains. once again. How can they be at war with a nuclear power with a weapons budget of billions of $ ?
And people like you support mass killings, sadist tortures, collective punishment, because?
Btw, idf has been using human shields (children too), for decades. you probably never really question your sources.
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The horrific violence of 7 October can no more justify killing Palestinian children than the ongoing mass murder of Palestinian children could justify another 7 October.
Suffering an undeserved harm cannot justify causing unjustified harm. If it did, it would apply as equally to innocent Palestinians as it does to innocent Israelis.
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This is precisely Hamas’ logic, thanks for illustrating its moral bankruptcy.
HeavenlyPossum
Unknown parent • • •@gavinisdie @mapto @TruthSandwich
Hamas’ war crime of using human shields can no more justify the killing of innocent people than the IDF’s war crime of using human shields can justify the killing of innocent people.
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Yeah, those things were also wrong.
There’s this really simple saying that I can’t quite remember but I feel is relevant here. Something about two wrongs not making something. Can’t put my finger on it tho.
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in reply to Randahl Fink • • •How about landing paratroopers in foreign countries, kidnapping people from music festivals, taking people hostage, using your neighbors and families as human shields, and killing children in their commune beds?
Were those things also wrong when you were growing up?
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in reply to Randahl Fink • • •@EyalL what you would have Israel do is send soldiers in to chase terrorists in their territory, right?
This way a lot more Israelis die, and are captured, to compensate for Hamas using their civilians as shields.
Basically you are asking Israel to trade Jewish lives for Palestinian lives.
✦ 𝚜 𝚑 𝚎 𝚙 𝚐 𝚘 ✦
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One thing can be multiple war crimes (that you don’t bother to discuss) and another can be fighting terrorism with casualties wrongly called war crimes.
A look at your posting history shows this to be true. Your swallowing Hamas PR, including claims that Israel bombed a hospital (when multiple outside investigators found it was Islamic State) and your repeated posts about “pro-IDF denialists” says everything…
… including why I’m blocking you.
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in reply to Randahl Fink • • •@EyalL that’s why I wrote de facto.
Israel withdrew unilaterally exited Gaza in 2005, Gazans elected Hamas. In what regards *internal* matters , it’s not on anybody else except Gazans to kick Hamas out of power. Self determination, remember?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_disengagement_from_Gaza
2005 withdrawal of Israeli personnel
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Unknown parent • • •@gavinisdie @TruthSandwich@qoto.org @yasman @mapto @randahl
Collective punishment is a war crime, even if it were true that Hamas is the elected government.
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Unknown parent • • •@TruthSandwich 5. Besides cruel and illegal, this is guaranteeing whatever comes after Hamas a torrent of recruits.
6: your remark on Palestinians is genocide apology "it's ok, they're all animals anyway".
ehproque
Unknown parent • • •1. More than half of Gaza was *born* after Hamas was last elected.
2. There hasn't been a vote since.
3. Netanyahu propped and financed Hamas. Without Israel's government's strategy, Hamas would be a few hundred guys in the lunatic fringe.
4. You don't get to Kill ten thousand people and say it's fine because there were 60 terrorist in between and claim it's just fine
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Unknown parent • • •@ehproque @TruthSandwich@qoto.org
This is psychopathic
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Congratulations on being a brainwashed supporter of violent jihad & #fascism
#Hamas #Iran #Putin #CCP & #KimJungUn and tyrants & terrorists everywhere, thank you for your service.
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Unknown parent • • •Thanks for displaying your ignorance & brainwashing on the topic. 🤡
I suggest you go live under Sharia Law, Putin’s Russia, China or North Korea, since that’s obviously the culture & systems you prefer to democracy. #FascistFan
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Unknown parent • • •@steviesyerda @mapto @anubis2814 Palestinians could’ve had their own State long ago, but rejected every opportunity. Palestinians live under corrupt PA & jihadist #Hamas —who were elected in Gaza a year after Israel unilaterally withdrew in 2005 (no elections since), followed by rockets, terror tunnels, suicide bombers, abductions, etc. Try actually educating yourself instead of just swallowing & repeating BS lies you see on social media.
https://youtu.be/czN4E-CTJ_E?si=qTclsIGJLgpx0qqP
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Unknown parent • • •@anubis2814 @Properganda@mastodon.social @steviesyerda @mapto @randahl
This person is a troll running at least the following other accounts:
@shinyhat@c.im
@top_koala7477@techhub.social
@gentleegg7079@mastodon.cloud
@8124@mastodon.social
@cheerytea@mstdn.plus
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in reply to Properganda • • •Stop blindly swallowing & parroting BS propaganda & using words you clearly don’t understand.
Properganda
Unknown parent • • •@letsbekind2 @steviesyerda @anubis2814
If you don’t believe me, or Biden, HRC, Bernie Sanders, Ritchie Torres, etc… then listen to this Palestinian & former #Hamas member w/ lived experience & intimate knowledge… Unless ofcourse you subscribe to the hateful & violent ideology of #IslamicJihad
https://youtu.be/BH7lJ-H9xzY?si=SitveDZg1oBvHiG2
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Unknown parent • • •@anubis2814 @mapto @steviesyerda
I am normally extraordinarily reluctant to accuse someone of being a paid troll. There are so very, very many people willing to be assholes online for free and it seems like a terrible waste of someone’s money.
But if anyone is, it’s this person, who created a bunch of these accounts to spam the fediverse with this nonsense.
HeavenlyPossum
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Gazans did not elect Hamas.
A grand total of 11% of all Palestinians cast ballots for Hamas in 2006, giving Hamas a slim plurality of votes. Hamas did not even with a plurality in all of the electoral districts of Gaza; it won only two of five in the strip.
HeavenlyPossum
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This one might another account by the same person. They love spamming this graphic as an obscene genocide denialism:
https://mastodon.social/@notwithstanding/111419991321108225
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2023-11-16 11:29:04
Properganda
Unknown parent • • •@letsbekind2 @steviesyerda @anubis2814
#Queers for #Palestine makes as much sense as “Chickens for KFC” or "minks for fur coats." 🤡
https://youtu.be/lrmsH2B5T5k?si=VIPmkLWndbvenjFA
Properganda
Unknown parent • • •@steviesyerda @letsbekind2 @anubis2814
Here you are lying & ignoring actual #apartheid as well as the innocent #HamasHostages & victims, because you’re blinded by hate for #israel and/or #Jews
Properganda
Unknown parent • • •HeavenlyPossum
Unknown parent • • •@Properganda@mastodon.social @randahl @steviesyerda @anubis2814 @letsbekind2
We might consider that any Jewish person in the world can move to Israel and receive citizenship while Palestinians expelled from their homes in 1948 cannot even visit.
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Properganda
Unknown parent • • •Properganda
Unknown parent • • •@steviesyerda
Sorry about your mental illness. Hope you get the care you need & learn how to read, think & process information. TC ✌️
@letsbekind2 @anubis2814 @randahl
Amelis
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •HeavenlyPossum
in reply to Amelis • • •Famous opponent of bombing hospitals, Vladimir Putin.
Clara Listensprechen likes this.
Properganda
Unknown parent • • •@letsbekind2 @steviesyerda @anubis2814
Speaking of #SockPuppets paid #trolls & #propaganda it’s sad you’re either a victim of #ActiveMeasures or a willing supporter & promoter of anti-democratic & tyrannical regimes.
https://youtu.be/tR_6dibpDfo?si=5G-cAh1SkbMNFtUA
Operation InfeKtion: How Russia Perfected the Art of War | NYT Opinion
YouTubeYapluca
in reply to Properganda • • •@Properganda
I'm 🤣😂🤣🤣😂🤣😭
When I read that you claim fighting fascisme.
I stop laghing and block !! 🤮
@steviesyerda @mapto @anubis2814 @randahl
Properganda
Unknown parent • • •Clara Listensprechen
in reply to Randahl Fink • •Martin Kostera
in reply to Clara Listensprechen • • •@Clara Listensprechen
I didn't notice - who said?
BTW, there were many good Germans in nazi Germany as good Russians in today's nazi ruSSia. But hey cannot be reason for appeasement and submission, right?
Clara Listensprechen
in reply to Martin Kostera • •My dear, dear @Martin Kostera --it appears you're not familiar with the word "anyone". Please make better use of a dictionary, thanks.
And while you're at it, consult a dictionary for the term "stereotype", because that's what you're currently doing. And/or hire a translator who translates whatever the hell your native tongue is into English. Thanks.
Martin Kostera
in reply to Clara Listensprechen • • •Again:
Who said(all Gazans are terrorists)? - Do you understand simple question? 🤷♂️
HeavenlyPossum
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •@martin @claralistensprechen3rd
Famously, the only two options when confronted with a threat are “indiscriminate murder of anyone near anyone who might be an adversary” or “appeasement and abject surrender.”
Clara Listensprechen
in reply to Randahl Fink • •Properganda
Unknown parent • • •@steviesyerda @letsbekind2 @anubis2814 again… I understand you’re mentally challenged but please try & get this through your head… you are misinformed! Israel isn’t perfect —who is? But the biggest oppressor of Palestinians are their own “leaders”, the Islamic “Republic” of Iran & their corrupt & brutal terrorist proxies & the toxic ideology of #Jihadism
https://youtu.be/NPMiApP8dSo?si=05EeVP-r2goa7Fx2
Ask Halawa: About Israel & the Jews - إسأل حلاوة: عن إسرائيل واليهود
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Unknown parent • • •Properganda
Unknown parent • • •Randahl Fink
Unknown parent • • •@snack what an absolutely awful and unnecessary remark.
@uhuru
Properganda
Unknown parent • • •What are your sources of news & information from, Stevie?
HeavenlyPossum
Unknown parent • • •This is true neither in the formal sense of international humanitarian law nor the general sense of basic human decency.
HeavenlyPossum
Unknown parent • • •@martin
It absolutely is true, but it’s also absolutely absurd to suggest that the only available alternative to killing 11,000 people—including thousands of children and hundreds of doctors and nurses—is surrender.
As a general rule, it’s inadvisable to respond to a hostage crisis by blowing up every house in which a hostage might be held.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/14/lebanon-israeli-strike-apparent-war-crime
Lebanon: Israeli Strike an Apparent War Crime
Human Rights WatchProperganda
Unknown parent • • •@steviesyerda @letsbekind2 @anubis2814
😂🤣😂
https://youtu.be/c2NaiX-hvVQ?si=iiXrQFnEn3CVdgT8
Son of Hamas Shocks U.N. Delegates as PLO Abuses Exposed
YouTubeProperganda
Unknown parent • • •https://youtu.be/llJxz1pAlQQ?si=i0aJq0BEDQAInze5
Hamas Founder's Son Turned Israeli Spy - Mosab Hassan Yousef, "The Green Prince"
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Unknown parent • • •Properganda
Unknown parent • • •@steviesyerda @letsbekind2 @anubis2814
This #Palestinian & son of #Hamas founder, has lived it & is better qualified to answer your question better than anyone… You keep repeating same BS propaganda & ignoring the answer —because it debunks your preferred #Jewhate narrative & programming. SAD!
https://youtu.be/c2NaiX-hvVQ?si=ikWGDCjoSquFzcEW
Son of Hamas Shocks U.N. Delegates as PLO Abuses Exposed
YouTubeMartin Kostera
in reply to HeavenlyPossum • • •@HeavenlyPossum Do not copy/paste Hamas BS. They declared 11 000 dead civilians including 471 dead in Al Ahli which never happened. You believe in such BS, do not do that.
Besides, every militant magically change to civilian right after his death. Tons of videos are about it. #Pallywood
Why you write "blowing up every house in which a hostage might be held" when you have to know it's stupid nonsense? They want their ppl back, not to kill them. And working on it even with US special forces(IDK which all are involved).
Homework: study how was Mosul liberated from ISIS and compare to Gaza.
HeavenlyPossum
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •@martin
“Everyone who reports information I don’t like is Hamas.”
Tedious and boring epistemic closure.
Martin Kostera
in reply to HeavenlyPossum • • •"Everyone who lies is liar."
And Hamas are masters at lying. Proved many times. Only 🐑believe them anymore.
Remember Al Ahli? Absolute disgrace.
HeavenlyPossum
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •@martin
The report was by Human Rights Watch using information they collected in Lebanon. You’re a fucking clown.
Martin Kostera
in reply to HeavenlyPossum • • •@HeavenlyPossum Yes. And source is Hamas. HRW - the pot calling the kettle black. Like Amnesty, like BBC, like NYT,... Remember Al Ahli? Absolute disgrace. But you don't. You're pushing out inconvenient information.
You ignore even dozen thousands missiles fired by poor Gazans onto Israel. Never existed, right?
If you want to believe to liars and to lies, go on. Your problem. I'm too tired to crack your so obvious and easily checked bias more.
HeavenlyPossum
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •@martin
The source of that report is not Hamas, which you could learn by opening the report, but you won’t because you’re a clown.
Thanks for letting me know that you’ve predetermined that any source of information critical of the Israeli state’s behavior is Hamas.
Absolute fucking clown.
Martin Kostera
in reply to HeavenlyPossum • • •@HeavenlyPossum
HRW:
Human Rights Watch: https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/11/10/gaza-hostage-videos-outrage-personal-dignity
Some incapable loser who has a problem with logic: Nooooooo, it was not Hamas!!!! It's report of HRW!!!!! 😭😭😭
OKI, so "authorities of Gaza are Martians". Right? 🤦🤦🤦
You are eating BS so you produce BS. Try to use brain next time.
Gaza: Hostage Videos an 'Outrage on Personal Dignity'
Human Rights WatchHeavenlyPossum
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •@martin
Incredible: you picked a different report, this one about Hamas, that *is specifically about and critical of Hamas’ human rights violations,* to try to make claims that HRW unreliable and that the report I cited was sourced from Hamas.
Galaxy brain over here.
Martin Kostera
in reply to HeavenlyPossum • • •@HeavenlyPossum So "my" 11000 casualties are absolutely different from "your" 11000 casualties?
OKI, then.
👏
You are eating BS so you produce BS. Try to use brain next time.
HeavenlyPossum
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •@martin
I realize English is not your first language, so I strongly recommend that you study some more to help with your comprehension.
You have completely, utterly misunderstood everything here. You cited a Human Rights Watch report *critical of Hamas* in an attempt to make a point about HRW’s bias, and you don’t even seem to realize what you did.
Martin Kostera
in reply to HeavenlyPossum • • •@HeavenlyPossum
What you wrote:
I don't think it's about my English, but your brain. Even your link of HRW say:
And who is in the seat of Gaza’s Health Ministry? Martian?
So no, it's identically 11,000 casualties like from my link. Same source: HAMAS. If you still don't get it, you have big brain problem. Try basic school, or so.
You are eating BS so you produce BS. Try to use brain next time.
HeavenlyPossum
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •@martin
You’re fixating on a single context statement as if it’s the sole content or subject of the report because, as we’ve noted, you’re a clown.
What’s the title and subject of the HRW report you linked?
Neorat™ Ad #FuckYourZionistEthnostate
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •You know, Israeli propaganda departament isn't known for telling the truth either. You're telling the other side they're falling for the lies without noticing -- or perhaps just ignoring -- that your side of the argument is just as bad.
But no matter, y'all Israeli apologists are giant hypocrites.
@HeavenlyPossum
HeavenlyPossum
in reply to Neorat™ Ad #FuckYourZionistEthnostate • • •@martin @szczur
Setting aside the fact that the Gaza casualty numbers have been corroborated by UNICEF; setting aside the fact that the US government thinks the casualty count is *too low.*
https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-war-gaza-strip-2023-11-08/card/state-department-warns-gaza-death-toll-could-be-higher-than-reported-RWmIIiwHT4DfsOaJrZji#
Israel-Hamas War
Vivian Salama (The Wall Street Journal)Martin Kostera
in reply to HeavenlyPossum • • •@HeavenlyPossum Of course I'm still talking about number of dead. You started. But you are incapable to understand simple logic. Loser with bad brain.
You are eating BS so you produce BS. Try to use brain next time.
@RD Yes, you also copy/paste Hamas BS. Another intelligent on scene. And Al Ahli was destroyed by Israeli with 471 casualties. Understood. 😁
And yes, nobody cares about palestinian Arabs. Even in arabic/islamic states. Except when Israel/Jews are involved. Do you want proof?
https://twitter.com/TerryMoran/status/1725558105415536913
Try to use your brains this time and find why.
HeavenlyPossum
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •@martin @RD4Anarchy
What’s the title and subject of the HRW report you linked?
Martin Kostera
in reply to HeavenlyPossum • • •HeavenlyPossum
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •@martin
What’s the title and subject of the HRW report you linked?
Martin Kostera
in reply to HeavenlyPossum • • •HeavenlyPossum
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •@martin
What’s the title and subject of the HRW report you linked?
HeavenlyPossum
in reply to HeavenlyPossum • • •@martin
Can’t you read it?
ChookMother 🇦🇺🦘
in reply to Randahl Fink • • •Martin Kostera
in reply to HeavenlyPossum • • •HeavenlyPossum
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •@martin
The US government thinks the official count is too low.
What was the name and subject of the HRW report to which you linked?
RD
in reply to Martin Kostera • • •@martin
You're really terrible at this. You're not doing Jews or Israel any favors!
Makes me wonder if you're actually a troll for Hamas set on making supporters of Israel look ridiculous. If so, you're doing an excellent job!
@HeavenlyPossum
HeavenlyPossum
in reply to RD • • •@martin @RD4Anarchy
Martin believes HRW is biased and unreliable, which would seem to imply that he disagrees with HRW’s conclusions—in the report that Martin linked to!—that Hamas has committed numerous war crimes.
Why would Martin defend Hamas from charges of committing war crimes? Possibly a troll for Hamas.