I normally say that during an election year is not the time to bring up the democractic party flaws but this is WAY different this years and the only way to get the democratic party in general to maintain power is to acknowledge this terrible wrongdoing, point out just how much worse it would be under republicans, point out the terrible 2 party system that forced us into this position, get people to vote in primaries for dems that will put pressure on Biden to stop, but also point out that government is a puzzle and if you don't have all the pieces, including a terrible president, no change is possible at all. Also that we have 2 parties, one that might actually give into direct action pressure the other will actively crush it, small-L liberal values and free speech. There is also only one party that will give you any hope at all of surviving climate change. The support of the slaughter Gaza isn't something we can sweep under the rug this time, it must be addressed and acknowledged. Then promote donating to the Ranked Choice Voting ballot initiatives on the Nevada and Oregon
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I normally say that during an election year is not the time to bring up the democractic party flaws but this is WAY different this years and the only way to get the democratic party in general to maintain power is to acknowledge this terrible wrongdoing, point out just how much worse it would be under republicans, point out the terrible 2 party system that forced us into this position, get people to vote in primaries for dems that will put pressure on Biden to stop, but also point out that government is a puzzle and if you don't have all the pieces, including a terrible president, no change is possible at all. Also that we have 2 parties, one that might actually give into direct action pressure the other will actively crush it, small-L liberal values and free speech. There is also only one party that will give you any hope at all of surviving climate change. The support of the slaughter Gaza isn't something we can sweep under the rug this time, it must be addressed and acknowledged. Then promote donating to the Ranked Choice Voting ballot initiatives on the Nevada and Oregon ballots so we have 2 less states held hostage by the 2 party system.
The Conference at Davos this year was all about fears that chumpo demento would get re-elected...and that Netanyahu would do nothing to stop his terrible acts, that putain would get stronger and Ukraine and Zelensky would get run over because American aide under demento would halt. And that NATO would end as well. Pretty depressing all around. All the more reasons we HAVE to vote blue, because the alternative is too damned dire.
@RustyBertrand If there was a candidate that stood a chance primarying him, yes. I will vote in the primary for who ever the other candidate is just as a protest vote if they are someone against this whole massacre. However the general is about voting against the worst, not voting FOR anyone. It's the sick twisted nature of the two party system. Nor voting for Biden in the general will just tell Biden I don't care, and voting for a spoiler candidate won't make Trump actually likely to care about what my opinion is at all
@RustyBertrand election year is when they're paying close attention and likely to believe you are playing hardball. Always the best time to criticize. And if they lose, you've injected serious medicine for the next round. Do it consistently and often to keep the blowback more bearable long-term. We've been scammed for so long and so thoroughly that the harsh medicine is now like chemotherapy. We've painted ourselves into a corner and there is only one way out.
@2¢ @RustyBertrand That chemotherapy in this case could mean the absolute end of a next time and screwing ourselves over on the domestic front, climate crisis and Ukraine sadly.
What Republicans learned in 2020 is that if you have too many people that are more loyal to the Constitution than the leader, then you cannot overturn elections. That isn't a mistake they are going to make again. Look into Project 2025 by the Herritage Foundation. They detail their plan to put loyalists in place if a Republican wins.
The problem with this line of reasoning that that the result of Clinton losing in 2016 was nominating and electing Biden. I've heard people saying that Democratic politicians losing will move the party left for about a quarter century now, and that still hasn't happened.
The real power base in the Democratic Party is where voters are delivering consistent wins in close elections, and that has been Georgia over the past four years. It's hardly a bastion of left-wing politics. Georgia has been the difference between Minority Leader McConnel and Majority Leader McConnel. Winning Georgia was a 32 Electoral College swing toward Biden.
If the left wing of the Democratic Party wants a bigger voice, then they have to deliver wins against Republicans in competitive races. Beating an incumbent Democrat in a primary and winning in a safe d
The problem with this line of reasoning that that the result of Clinton losing in 2016 was nominating and electing Biden. I've heard people saying that Democratic politicians losing will move the party left for about a quarter century now, and that still hasn't happened.
The real power base in the Democratic Party is where voters are delivering consistent wins in close elections, and that has been Georgia over the past four years. It's hardly a bastion of left-wing politics. Georgia has been the difference between Minority Leader McConnel and Majority Leader McConnel. Winning Georgia was a 32 Electoral College swing toward Biden.
If the left wing of the Democratic Party wants a bigger voice, then they have to deliver wins against Republicans in competitive races. Beating an incumbent Democrat in a primary and winning in a safe district doesn't move the needle. Flipping a swing district moves the needle significantly.
The right wing of the Republican Party has as much power as they do because they show up to vote for every election, every year, in every district.
Just to be clear, I am not defending Biden or saying he is above criticism. He is absolutely wrong on Gaza. Where we disagree is about the amount of leverage we have to push the party in any direction. A competitive primary won't give us a candidate who's right about Gaza because that’s not where the party is as a whole. Threatening to vote third-party will just get you ignored and the candidate looking for Republican votes to make up for the loss.
It sucks, but the only way to change it is to see it as a decades-long project of small wins and fight it out for the long-haul. Republicans have literally been doing that since the end of Jim Crow, and they've almost completed their victory.
@OmegaLimit @RustyBertrand you are partially correct. It is a decades-long battle of small wins and losses. Nobody is ignored. They are discounted - until they are not. The attitudinal shift must become apparent. And Gaza is hardly the only issue on which Biden is regarded as repugnant by many.
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I agree that there is no next time.
What Republicans learned in 2020 is that if you have too many people that are more loyal to the Constitution than the leader, then you cannot overturn elections. That isn't a mistake they are going to make again. Look into Project 2025 by the Herritage Foundation. They detail their plan to put loyalists in place if a Republican wins.
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The problem with this line of reasoning that that the result of Clinton losing in 2016 was nominating and electing Biden. I've heard people saying that Democratic politicians losing will move the party left for about a quarter century now, and that still hasn't happened.
The real power base in the Democratic Party is where voters are delivering consistent wins in close elections, and that has been Georgia over the past four years. It's hardly a bastion of left-wing politics. Georgia has been the difference between Minority Leader McConnel and Majority Leader McConnel. Winning Georgia was a 32 Electoral College swing toward Biden.
If the left wing of the Democratic Party wants a bigger voice, then they have to deliver wins against Republicans in competitive races. Beating an incumbent Democrat in a primary and winning in a safe d
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The problem with this line of reasoning that that the result of Clinton losing in 2016 was nominating and electing Biden. I've heard people saying that Democratic politicians losing will move the party left for about a quarter century now, and that still hasn't happened.
The real power base in the Democratic Party is where voters are delivering consistent wins in close elections, and that has been Georgia over the past four years. It's hardly a bastion of left-wing politics. Georgia has been the difference between Minority Leader McConnel and Majority Leader McConnel. Winning Georgia was a 32 Electoral College swing toward Biden.
If the left wing of the Democratic Party wants a bigger voice, then they have to deliver wins against Republicans in competitive races. Beating an incumbent Democrat in a primary and winning in a safe district doesn't move the needle. Flipping a swing district moves the needle significantly.
The right wing of the Republican Party has as much power as they do because they show up to vote for every election, every year, in every district.
Just to be clear, I am not defending Biden or saying he is above criticism. He is absolutely wrong on Gaza. Where we disagree is about the amount of leverage we have to push the party in any direction. A competitive primary won't give us a candidate who's right about Gaza because that’s not where the party is as a whole. Threatening to vote third-party will just get you ignored and the candidate looking for Republican votes to make up for the loss.
It sucks, but the only way to change it is to see it as a decades-long project of small wins and fight it out for the long-haul. Republicans have literally been doing that since the end of Jim Crow, and they've almost completed their victory.
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