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Had someone on here try to convince me that the student protests for Palestine were bad because they distract from income inequality, I guess after reading my bio.

If you think protesting rampant militarism and the dehumanization and brutalization of any group of people takes something away from poverty abolitionism, you don’t understand what poverty abolition is about.

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in reply to Misuse Case

Ugh, whataboutism is so tiring.

I don't even entirely agree with what the students are saying, but all cops are bastards so I'm never going to back the frikkin cops.

(I don't care to vocally support the protesters either, but that's different. My side really need to figure out how to push out the Hamas/Houthi/etc intifada supporters and at least use clearly different language from them.

But I don't know how to fix that myself, so I've got nothing helpful to say.)

in reply to Isaac Ji Kuo

It's helpful to continue to speak out against poverty and genocide in general, at least.
in reply to Clara Listensprechen

@claralistensprechen3rd
Yeah, well I wish I felt like it was even worth it.

It's like ... for a little while during the BLM protests I felt optimistic that things could change for the better. But then the fools made the slogan "Defund the Police".

Right then I knew nothing would get done. If we demanded "Reform the Police" then at least some good could come out of it. I believe that something is better than nothing. Others on the Left do not.

Same damn thing all over again.

in reply to Isaac Ji Kuo

@isaackuo @claralistensprechen3rd “Reform the police” would have done nothing, people have been talking police reform and doing nothing for decades. It’s why activists didn’t use that word.

And the reason there is no progress is not because of the slogan, it’s because cops are an armed gang and most of the elected representatives who nominally oversee them are either in cahoots with them or afraid of them.

in reply to Misuse Case

@claralistensprechen3rd

It's not true that nothing has been done for decades, though. President Obama did do things to make things better. Did he do all he could? I doubt it, but it was something.

in reply to Isaac Ji Kuo

@claralistensprechen3rd
At least this time there's someone at the top fighting to make things better - President Biden. Is he doing everything to my liking? Not everything. But he's doing a lot, and I appreciate that.

So I support Biden, and criticize Netanyahu and others. Mainly Netanyahu.

I don't think my pathetic contribution will do much, but at least someone's on the case.

in reply to Isaac Ji Kuo

@isaackuo @FantasticalEconomics I only know two things: Both “sides” are guilty of murdering innocent civilians, and neither group is capable of peacefully governing that region.
in reply to Misuse Case

in reply to Clara Listensprechen

@claralistensprechen3rd @isaackuo@mastodon.social
Unfortunately the reason why language-perversion strategy works so well is because the side that uses it neither wants nor needs to effect change that helps people who are in need.

Language-perversion only needs to sow confusion. To cause progressives to argue among themselves what they really mean.

They don't need their own message, they win just by confusing our message.

in reply to Isaac Ji Kuo

Pretty much but not quite. Sowing confusion results in doubt and it's the doubt that's the unleashed weapon. The objective is to use doubt as a weapon for the objective of producing your silence, and insofar as it keeps people silenced, it's effective, therefore "mission accomplished". My prescription for that is to be heard anyway and damn the torpedoes.
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"Our doubts are traitors, and make us lose the good we oft might win, by fearing to attempt." --William Shakespeare