#Threads is testing federation for a few selected profiles. I'm now following @mosseri! It's one-way for now, but it's exciting. It's a step towards the interoperable social web that we've been advocating for 🙂
@mosseri I have mixed emotions about it, wanting the positive aspects without the negative. I’m a little apprehensive, though I followed him from one of my PixelFed accounts as a test.
I think this is great. This is what fediverse is about: federating instances. Worst case is that we have a big new shitty instance, so we have everything to win and nothing to lose.
we can have an interoperable social web without the likes of zuckerberg and his ethically questionable and privacy invasive platforms. He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt because he's already proved that he doesn't deserve it time and time again
@mosseri As someone who dealt with FB before, they have never let go of the motto of "Don't get caught." If they get their hooks in, the Fediverse is dead within 18 months.
There’s been a lot of speculation around what Threads will be and what it means for Mastodon. We’ve put together some of the most common questions and our responses based on what was launched today.
Eugen, I know I'm not the only one who believes that Threads will become the "MEGALOVANIA of the fediverse". If it happens billions (or milliards) of people will join. Gonna follow Mossery and even you on Threads. Also you can follow me on Threads @luiscgm20
Make no mistake, this is huge for Mastodon. Currently people have to choose between X, Mastodon, and Threads, and network effects play a dominant role in that choice. If we can say, you can access all the folks that went to Threads from a Mastodon account, that makes it a far more attractive option given all of its other perks 😉
that's also my take. I am curious to see what Threads quote posts would look like on Mastodon though. (Still personally really excited about that roadmap item.)
I’m really excited for this. I’ve mainly been using Threads because people I wanted to follow were more active there, but I’m way more inclined to spend time on Mastodon if I can see everything there at the same time.
This is huge, especially when you consider many people, politicians & brands on #Threads will consider setting up their own instances under their own domain & connect with the rest of the #Fediverse!
Also with prominent sites using #WordPress, we could see everyone from #NASA to the #WhiteHouse join the Fediverse (pending activation of the #ActivityPub plugin).
@darnell How does it work? Is Threads only federating with certain servers. I’m unable to follow or view any profiles or posts on Threads from my Mastodon account.
@darnell That makes sense. Still doesn’t make sense why I can’t load those accounts through Mastodon or follow them, even though, clearly, others on my server were able to follow them.
one thing that just comes to mind is zombie accounts.
Since #greedflation and the other atrocities I have #negativetrust in corporations. This means if they do something like this, I assume malice.
Now I figured what could happen: - put ads in every 2nd post of #threads to fedi federation - do federation only reading so you cant see threads posts on mastodon but both on threads = people leave - spam the fediverse with bot accounts that sway public opinion like facebook
the argument works also the other way round. If I can get the fediverse from my data collection site of choice, I have no motivation to make an account on mastodon.
Ok. I’ll behave. You have to start with assuming good intentions.
If actual #interoperability appears, where Threads users can find other ActivityPub users as easily as Threads users, and #Fediverse users aren’t made to jump through hoops to get followed in there, I’m all for it.
If #Meta doesn’t send in it’s goons and exercise it’s immense monetary might to take over nonprofits and boards that decide the future of the #protocol, I’m all for it.
freedom of choice is the key principle. I already blocked all Meta subnets on our pacifist mastodon instance because of the role of this company in promoting nationalism, white supremacism and even genocide in Burma, according to UN reports. I won’t block or silence communities who will act otherwise, and I hope that communities determined to keep evil companies outside of their door won’t be marginalized in the Fediverse, which is my greatest fear and an actual risk.
I just don't want Meta to scrape my posts and images that I put here.
I want nobody from Meta to read what I post here *unless* I choose to connect with them. And even then, I want to keep control. Which I doubt is possible.
Yes, I am on FB. But I do post very differently over there because I am aware of the total lack of privacy over there.
I don't care about interoperability as much as I care of having my social network experience free from corporate interests and all the data grabbing, LLM-feeding, "engagement"-driving, ad-selling, election-manipulating anti-democratic bullshit they bring in to inevitably ruin everything nice.
So unless Meta is somehow deprivatized and transformed into an international, community-owned network, I will defederate.
is there a way to completely block a server from accessing my Mastodon profile and have a whitelist for specific accounts from that block server? That way i’d feel a bit better regarding Threads. Although the feature is awesome, as long as Threads is managed by Facebook, i just see “Threats” as the real name! Facebook is a 100% money driven corporation, they do not care for standards or goodwild features…
I hope they don't drop this support later when they see the content they're linking with is useless for their business. But it's a good way to introduce people to the fediverse. I think a lot of people are scared of it. This may make them used to it. Let's hope it's positive for everybody, and not just Meta.
i would agree ASSUMING they actually follow thru and allow full access to thier network. Honestly I doubt they will… Read only access for a handful of accounts is not going to help much and i for one don’t trust Zuck.
very interesting update. So I could finally close the unused business accounts in the x-bird and open in threads and follow them from here. Or I could open them here and people on threads could follow. Is that how it will work?
for all of us that leveraged the bird.makeup hack, to remain connected with the holdouts, do you anticipate anyone building a mapping utility that might permit Mastodon users to follow those holdouts that finally made the move to or 🧵 ?
Two important Threads updates 🔔🔔
First, Threads is expanding to more countries across Europe, so people there can follow and join the conversations they care about.
the only thing I miss from Threads is the ability to limit who can comment on my posts. Sure, there are private posts etc., but I'd like to have it a little more fine-grained.
Agreed. I'm really looking forward to fédération being enabled by Threads and Tumblr, the latter of which has recently also reiterated that they are still working on AcitivityPub support. Wordpress has also been improving their AcitivityPub support quite massively recently, things are looking pretty good!
Do you still trust meta? Their only interest is to harvest & sell user data. I am really concerned about meta creeping into our privacy. Are there any checks in place to prevent data collection?
So Threads won't get blocked from mastodon.social and mastodon.online ? Maybe I have to switch servers again since "my" admin currently blocks Threads - and I'm not really happy about that.
Please allow follower only comments! After the european start of Threads I don't fear that vain influencers could misuse this feature (they have their accounts there) but it would save us from Threads trolls.
I know who owns threads and this is all I need to know. I do not want to engage with them in any fashion. If I cannot block their interaction with mastodon I guess I will be leaving mastodon as well. If I wanted to interact with threads, facebook, meta, truth social, or any other fascist social media site I would join those sites. I am here because I do not want to be there.
thank you for this. I’ve seen a lot of noise (and outrage!) today about how Meta will harvest user data from federated servers and insert advertising. I appreciate that you’ve addressed these points clearly in this blog for lay people like me to understand!
@mosseri In the official Mastodon app, I could only view profiles; in the web browser, I was just sent to Threads in the Remo view, but compatibility may be improved in the future.
@VE2UWY I think the movement might well go in the other direction. Threads/Instagram users might realize that they can escape the ads and the algorithm without giving up connections to their friends. If threads.net becomes yet another fediverse server why not choose a better one?
@aeisenberg @not2b @VE2UWY Automatic migration as a feature is relatively speaking a moot point. Some platforms here still don’t have it either. If you can follow all the same people from a different platform there’s no barriers to switching to a different platform.
@not2b @VE2UWY there’s no guarantee that threads will allow its users to migrate as normal mastodon instances do. I’m not hopeful that they will allow it, but I have no evidence either way.
my reason to be on the #fediverse is precisely avoiding the Zucks and the Elons... That's why I migrated my @mastodon.social account to an instance which preventively defederated them.
@mosseri I can't say that I am filled with joy by this news. Meta is the scorpion from the story of 'the scorpion and the frog;...Long story short, it it did not end well for the frog!
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I'm pretty concerned that a business, multiple privacy condemned ad network that can't even respect the EU privacy laws opens itself with a great smile to its exact opposite. Does Mark embrace users to extend and extinguish ?
@mosseri I don't like how it's only one way. This feels more like them advertising by setting up the equivalent of a Twitter relay, rather than actually federating.
Still going to set up an account there, just so I can have a presence if it does take off, but really, I'm all in on Fediverse at this point.
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@mosseri I understand your excitement, but I doubt that federation will remain after a certain number of mastodonties (to be determined by Threads) follws their accounts.
@HistoPol Not from here - this instance is a Fedipact server which is blocking Meta. For now I’m relying on the rest of the Mastodon community to report on how they’re behaving - and from there ultimately decide on whether to remain here or not.
@mosseri depends if you're into facebook, not gonna call them meta, getting access to the data of everyone who follows a threads account, which of course isn't desirable because we came here, among other things, specifically to avoid that. Also, what would happen if they pull a google on us and defederate when they got enough data, forcing the people who used the federation to meet cool people to make a threads account? are we ready for that? those are questions we should begin asking.
@binarytango @darnell It’s weird because, when I go to the Moderation > Federation admin page for my server, I can see that 2 of my server’s users follow 3 threads.net accounts, but I have no idea how its done.
@mosseri Do you really advocate for Meta , who owns threads which is tied to Instagram, to access a user'sMastodon account? Threads seems bad enough tying Threads to Instagram and Facebook, adding non-Meta app seems a step too far to me. They'll get your personsl information anyway, but opening the door for them is too much.
@mosseri Ta créature t'a dépassé. Les gens ne sont pas sur Mastodon pour y voir les FB, Meta, TikTok et autres aspirateurs de données les poursuivre ici. Ton schéma est v.i.e.u.x. et tellement XX siècle ☠️
@mosseri As we know we can't see much details about profiles on other servers and Mastodon suggests to visit original profile page. Now, if I wanted to see all followers of Threads profile, I go to Threads site and all I get is login prompt. Will this be addressed? Will it stay that way and we will get only limited info about Threads profiles (while Threads and any other user can browse Mastodon original profiles freely)?
@mosseri i believe meta uses threads to censor people and do nasty things if this gets traction. The point of fediverse is to "break free" from corporate shackles. I don't trust non-free platforms especially Meta which is the worst offender in terms of users privacy. Meta/Facebook is a surveillance engine. #StallmanIsRight #FreeSoftware
I think the idea is great and the more we introduce people to decentralization (whether federation, blockchain decentralization, etc), the better. I'm just concerned about the motives. Meta never does anything without ulterior motives that allow them to harvest data, sell that data and train AI with that data.
If they're doing this solely to crawl the Fediverse for data to train AI, is this really a positive?
Again, I really like the idea of getting more people onboarded with decentralized social media (especially since that's what the WWW was always supposed to be) but I feel like it really isn't a positive thing, given what we know about Meta.
Ah well, I guess we'll all have to hope for the best but expect the worst.
@mosseri Nope, nope, nope. I have an Instagram account and often get bombarded with Threads — see who you know etc. crap from there. I refuse to download it!!!
You always have the option of muting or blocking the instance, just like you do with any other instance. Personally, I’m excited to follow and interact with the people I want to from here in a client and using a platform I love, without having to head “over there.”
Totally get it. But if it helps, I think Meta sees a few things going on. 1) decentralization is the future and they know the walled gardens are going to come down, so they are betting on making their clients and algos a way that most people will want to introduce and participate in that. They aren’t after those of us here to avoid that. 2) I love Mastodon but it’s not the big fish. But WordPress is huge for them. And giving creators the ability to interact with followers from Wordpress is a big deal. 3) Threads could also be a test for opening IG to AP and giving their creators there, who are truly committed to that platform, greater reach (something Tik Tok, for example, doesn’t have).
@Cedric Knight @Eugen Rochko If it doesn't mean losing any of their friends, more will likely move over to the fediverse. Twitter API used to make it possible to mirror your account to Twitter and back and no one viewed that as a sell out move
@lisamelton How do you follow his threads account? All I get is a web page and searching on both account styles in mastodon brings up nothing. Maybe my server has already defederated them?
This is the kind of company you're excited about working with?
There is zero chance Meta is genuinely interested in interoperability, they just want to take over control of whatever community the Fediverse has built up. As Meta's CEO said, people who trust him are "stupid f**ks".
@feditips Threads is going to lay in ActivityPub support whether we like it or not, because the EU won’t let them stay in business there if they don’t. That ship has sailed; nothing we do here can change that.
What instance admins *can* do here is block Threads. If they do, they’d also block Threads users from…easily moving to their friendly neighborhood Mastodon host.
Who would that help, and more importantly, who would that hurt?
@feditips Yet. New things get rolled into old things in stages, that’s just normal IT development cadence. The whole point of the APub deal with the EU was that antitrust claims would be set aside if Meta tears down their walls and lets their users exit with their social graph. If they don’t fulfill that part of the bargain, they lose their ability to operate in the EU, yes?
@feditips Still true: "#Facebook has grown large enough to be fundamentally unable to control a broad range of abuse on its platform. Facebook’s profitability comes from externalizing the cost of consequences of that abuse to the entire world." https://circle.lt/post/20201117-breaking-up-facebook/
Stop helping #FB* externalize its costs while corrupting and absorbing the few spaces still out of reach of the big tech.
@feditips I came to Mastodon to get away from Twitter. Later, I divorced myself from Reddit. If my family and old school friends weren't on Facebook, That site would have been sent to hell as well.
Facebook Purity is an app I run on Facebook to make it somewhat palatable.
@feditips Please tell me this is a terrible anachronistic April Fools' prank.
There's zero chance Meta has any interest in anything but kneecapping their competition and/or buying it up to destroy it. It's become a time-honored tactic under robber-baron capitalism.
As #meta federation approaches actuality, I’m feeling more nervous and skeptical that there will be any way to protect ourselves from an onslaught of commercialization and or bot-filled infiltration. Maybe paranoia, but it’s concerning.
Most of us are here to get AWAY from these corporate leeches.
They only want to data mine and profile you and your data - and everyone you communicate with's data.
Bad decision to directly integrate with them. I realise they can stand up their own Masto server - but they don't see all of the exchanges like they will doing this.
I haven't moved to Fediverse for Metaverse to extand its arms over my data here as well. The interoperability shouldn't result in the enforcement of the GAFAM economic model on all of us outside it. And I'm afraid Meta will try to impose it's logic on the whole Fediverse if we allow it.
@fabiscafe Actually, it does by refusing to collect and use my data to create new products sold to third-parties, that is advertisers. This is the real issue. Not the fact that you make something public or not. And I don't wish for Meta to extand this economic model to the fediverse.
@fabiscafe That would be a violation of the terms of the service, though, and there are already whole frameworks in place for that. You "can" drive in the wrong direction on your side of the road but it doesn't mean it's good idea or that it doesn't have consequences. Please take these tired Meta-shill talking points somewhere else. @ariane
@tokyo_0 you dont agree to terms of services you tone use? For copyright, i dont know how this applies to profile building. But i guess this also also depends on your instances legal location.
@fabiscafe In practice it's very technically feasible to scrape web content, trivial even. But legally it's not legitimate in most jurisdictions and any large high-profile organisations doing it would run into problems very quickly.
@tokyo_0 it's more of a "to use", not "to scrape" this data, isnt it? But in this case, how is it even handled on the fediverse - do you know this by any chance?
@fabiscafe You'd have to scrape it to use it. I think unauthorised use of content would be handled the same way on the Fediverse to any other website or service.
@tokyo_0 sure, but scraping is not using. My point was that they probably already scrap the fediverse for a long time - just like google and so on.
With the Fediverse, my actual question is whats unauthorised use? Do I agree to share my content with every instance my instance shares it with? Is there something I agreed on?
@fabiscafe Your post, which I responded to, stated that they (Meta) don't need to be on the Fediverse to grab data from the Fediverse.
As we've discussed, while many things are technically possible, in practice such a large high profile organization's doing that in order to use the data would be putting itself at such considerable legal risk it would almost definitely choose not to. The exact details of how the legal challenges would unfold don't need to be thrashed out for that to be clear.
Except Meta have done much worse things than just make a fake Mastodon server. I don't think they care about the laws if they won't get caught. I always assumed one of the big Mastodon instances was a Meta Trojan anyway 🤷
Very disappointing to watch how the Ambitions of you have changed since the humble beginnings of Mastodon.
Back in the Days you're Intention was to develop an Alternative to a Platform of BigTech because you disliked the given Experience with Surveillance, Misbehavior, Centralization and Capitalism.
Now you seem to embrace any kind of Connection to those greedy Companies with all of their negative Effects?!
Feels like betrayal in a Way, seems Money still changes People. 🙄
@mosseri How do you plan to properly protect users and combat dangerous hate groups like LibsOfTikTok? Groups which Meta are either unable or unwilling to keep off of the platform.
And short of defederating how are smaller instances meant to keep up with the increased moderation workload that this will require?
@mosseri One-way? I.e. you can read, but not interact?
Many commercial platforms that had access to open protocols were one-way and stayed one-way. The idea is to suck people in who use the open protocol, and not give back.
I remember the times where all important chat platforms from Google Talk to QQ were XMPP, and you could use essentially any XMPP client to talk to them, BUT they never did the interconnection with other XMPP servers.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •it will always stay one-way, I'm pretty sure...
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •If you’ve got questions about what interoperability with #Threads means, we wrote this up back in July, and you can still refer to it:
https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •will threads users be able to switch servers and take all of their old data with them like you can on any normal Mastodon server?
My guess is no, but wondering if you have some understanding.
Also, initially it seems like threads users can’t follow us, but we can follow (some of) them. Will this change?
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •This is awesome! I was able to follow @mosseri from my #Mastodon, #Misskey & #Pixelfed accounts!
This is huge, especially when you consider many people, politicians & brands on #Threads will consider setting up their own instances under their own domain & connect with the rest of the #Fediverse!
Also with prominent sites using #WordPress, we could see everyone from #NASA to the #WhiteHouse join the Fediverse (pending activation of the #ActivityPub plugin).
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in reply to Ben Ramsey • • •@ramsey #Threads is only activating #ActivityPub for select accounts like @mosseri for testing purposes. The rest are not active yet.
#Flipboard is doing something similar (see @mike & @espn).
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •one thing that just comes to mind is zombie accounts.
Since #greedflation and the other atrocities I have #negativetrust in corporations. This means if they do something like this, I assume malice.
Now I figured what could happen:
- put ads in every 2nd post of #threads to fedi federation
- do federation only reading so you cant see threads posts on mastodon but both on threads = people leave
- spam the fediverse with bot accounts that sway public opinion like facebook
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •If I can get the fediverse from my data collection site of choice, I have no motivation to make an account on mastodon.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Ok. I’ll behave. You have to start with assuming good intentions.
If actual #interoperability appears, where Threads users can find other ActivityPub users as easily as Threads users, and #Fediverse users aren’t made to jump through hoops to get followed in there, I’m all for it.
If #Meta doesn’t send in it’s goons and exercise it’s immense monetary might to take over nonprofits and boards that decide the future of the #protocol, I’m all for it.
Let’s see. 🕑
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I just don't want Meta to scrape my posts and images that I put here.
I want nobody from Meta to read what I post here *unless* I choose to connect with them. And even then, I want to keep control. Which I doubt is possible.
Yes, I am on FB. But I do post very differently over there because I am aware of the total lack of privacy over there.
Same goes for Xitter.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I don't care about interoperability as much as I care of having my social network experience free from corporate interests and all the data grabbing, LLM-feeding, "engagement"-driving, ad-selling, election-manipulating anti-democratic bullshit they bring in to inevitably ruin everything nice.
So unless Meta is somehow deprivatized and transformed into an international, community-owned network, I will defederate.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I was happy to choose between Mastodon, X, and Threads so I could leave the corrupt billionaires and their fascist power plays behind.
It was an intentional choice.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •they make money from ads, while you deliver web services for free? seems odd doesn't it?
I think what's needed is a 3rd-party app for Mastodon that does have ads, people will use it.
If done right some of that money can pay for Mastodon's costs.
People like ads, I've decided. Weird but I'm pretty sure about it.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Those who start playing with the devil will end up in hell.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Wordpress has also been improving their AcitivityPub support quite massively recently, things are looking pretty good!
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I have to say, I'm not particularly happy about that.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Nicole Parsons
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Not interested.
Threads, like Meta's Facebook will be the engine of disinformation, replacing Twitter.
Nicole Parsons reshared this.
DB
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Are you as gullible as you seem? Blocking you
omi
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Jeffrey Phillips
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •lol, I can follow the big boss, but I can't follow myself. Ain't that just the way of the Valley...
Joe
Unknown parent • • •Eugen Rochko
Unknown parent • • •Andrew Eisenberg❗️
in reply to Joe • • •catfluoride :archlinux:
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Rob Chapman :ohai: ✍🏼🐧
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Jörg Seidel
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Not seeing any posts. Did he never?
@mosseri
#Threads
Blake C. Stacey
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •thermo
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@ploum talk about it here https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse)
ploum.netStéphane Calonnec🗿
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •M. Grégoire
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@mosseri
> a few selected profiles
Is there a list somewhere of profiles on #Threads that the public can access using #ActivityPub ?
Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@mosseri
I don't like how it's only one way. This feels more like them advertising by setting up the equivalent of a Twitter relay, rather than actually federating.
Still going to set up an account there, just so I can have a presence if it does take off, but really, I'm all in on Fediverse at this point.
maybeanerd
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •~Tilde #Gartenzaun
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •‼️ ‼️ Beware ‼️ ‼️
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
@mosseri
How to Kill a Decentralised Network (such as the Fediverse)
ploum.netliberloebi √
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Christian Pietsch (old acct.)
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •HistoPol (#HP)
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@smallsco
Can you see anything of this Federated #threads test account, Scott?
My block of #Meta instances seems to work. 😀
https://mastodon.social/@Cdespinosa/111575559190736599
Scott Small
in reply to HistoPol (#HP) • • •HistoPol (#HP)
in reply to Scott Small • • •@smallsco
Ah, sure, understand.
Thanks.
Cristian
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Gregor Samsa
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •chickweed reshared this.
🇵🇸Murray O'Caht🇵🇸
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •grenra_solarium
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •just never take money from meta
Dr. Seltsam
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Fubaroque
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •bgt lover
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Ben Ramsey
Unknown parent • • •Andrew Feeney
in reply to Ben Ramsey • • •73 million seconds
Unknown parent • • •@tappenden @andrewfeeney @ramsey @binarytango @darnell two others that work:
@0xjessel
@christophersu
Scott Knowles
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •PieR
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Ta créature t'a dépassé. Les gens ne sont pas sur Mastodon pour y voir les FB, Meta, TikTok et autres aspirateurs de données les poursuivre ici. Ton schéma est v.i.e.u.x. et tellement XX siècle ☠️
Mieszko Ślusarczyk
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •zbrando
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •mray
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •What else does Facebook have to do to lose your trust in them?
This amazes me.
But maybe they are the good guys after all? They also support other W3C standards like HTML!
Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Massimo
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@FabianLaasch
He points in his Bio still to his Twitter Account. I'm not sure if he really uses Social media. 😁
#Threads
Zambunny
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •ay
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •vruz
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@mosseri
We don't need to inter-operate with the antisocial web that harbours fascists.
Juha Haataja
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@mosseri
Is it enough to block #Threads from your account to do this:
1. Open that profile.
2. Block domain.
Chicky
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Jacob - Challenging Apathy
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •I think the idea is great and the more we introduce people to decentralization (whether federation, blockchain decentralization, etc), the better. I'm just concerned about the motives. Meta never does anything without ulterior motives that allow them to harvest data, sell that data and train AI with that data.
If they're doing this solely to crawl the Fediverse for data to train AI, is this really a positive?
Again, I really like the idea of getting more people onboarded with decentralized social media (especially since that's what the WWW was always supposed to be) but I feel like it really isn't a positive thing, given what we know about Meta.
Ah well, I guess we'll all have to hope for the best but expect the worst.
Elizabeth Moore
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •felface
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Bam
in reply to felface • • •@felface @mosseri
They’ve explained that it is one way for now and that they are fully intending to allow full interaction over time. They’re trying to get it right.
felface
in reply to Bam • • •Bam
in reply to felface • • •@mosseri
You always have the option of muting or blocking the instance, just like you do with any other instance. Personally, I’m excited to follow and interact with the people I want to from here in a client and using a platform I love, without having to head “over there.”
felface
in reply to Bam • • •Bam
in reply to felface • • •@felface @mosseri
Totally get it. But if it helps, I think Meta sees a few things going on. 1) decentralization is the future and they know the walled gardens are going to come down, so they are betting on making their clients and algos a way that most people will want to introduce and participate in that. They aren’t after those of us here to avoid that. 2) I love Mastodon but it’s not the big fish. But WordPress is huge for them. And giving creators the ability to interact with followers from Wordpress is a big deal. 3) Threads could also be a test for opening IG to AP and giving their creators there, who are truly committed to that platform, greater reach (something Tik Tok, for example, doesn’t have).
zombywoof
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Michael Bishop ☕
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@mosseri
I don't trust Meta coming to the Fediverse. They are bound to take it over and destroy it.
TeflonTrout
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@mosseri https://mastodon.ie/@davey_cakes/111578095588208885
Nope. Not a fan. I don't want the kind of people that support whatever makes money to have a toehold here.
Matt Maddux
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Marcus
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Cedric Knight 🌍💙
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •anubis2814
in reply to Cedric Knight 🌍💙 • •Cătă likes this.
Sarah Perez 💙
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •David Friedman
in reply to Sarah Perez 💙 • • •Sarah Perez 💙
in reply to David Friedman • • •Stefan
in reply to Sarah Perez 💙 • • •Cliff
in reply to Sarah Perez 💙 • • •Renaud Chaput
in reply to Sarah Perez 💙 • • •@Sarahp We are only aware if this one and 2 engineers for now. This question is for the Threads team to answer, as it depends on them.
@Gargron
Sarah Perez 💙
in reply to Renaud Chaput • • •Sarah Perez 💙
in reply to Sarah Perez 💙 • • •parrotcyder
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Bleyddyn
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •FediTips has moved!
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •This is really disappointing, Eugen.
Meta's track record on human rights is so terrible, Amnesty International issued a report about their involvement in genocide:
https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/ASA16/5933/2022/en/
This is the kind of company you're excited about working with?
There is zero chance Meta is genuinely interested in interoperability, they just want to take over control of whatever community the Fediverse has built up. As Meta's CEO said, people who trust him are "stupid f**ks".
Myanmar: The social atrocity: Meta and the right to remedy for the Rohingya - Amnesty International
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Mark Hurst
in reply to FediTips has moved! • • •https://creativegood.com/blog/23/instagrams-unmentionable-problem.html
Creative Good: Instagram’s unmentionable problem
creativegood.comMichael Fisher
in reply to FediTips has moved! • • •@feditips Threads is going to lay in ActivityPub support whether we like it or not, because the EU won’t let them stay in business there if they don’t. That ship has sailed; nothing we do here can change that.
What instance admins *can* do here is block Threads. If they do, they’d also block Threads users from…easily moving to their friendly neighborhood Mastodon host.
Who would that help, and more importantly, who would that hurt?
FediTips has moved!
in reply to Michael Fisher • • •@mjf_pro
"they’d also block Threads users from…easily moving to their friendly neighborhood Mastodon host. "
No.
There is no account migration system on Threads.
You cannot move your account from Threads to Mastodon.
Michael Fisher
in reply to FediTips has moved! • • •FediTips has moved!
in reply to Michael Fisher • • •@mjf_pro
Meta will do the minimum amount needed, sabotage it, drag their heels and not apply it outside the EU.
There is not even an EU law yet, and Meta will do nothing until there is and until it is enforced, if it ever is.
There is no reason to trust Meta at all, they have done the most awful things:
https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/ethiopia-facebook-algorithms-contributed-human-rights-abuses-against-tigrayans
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence
Rohingya sue Facebook for £150bn over Myanmar genocide
Dan Milmo (The Guardian)like this
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Dmitry Borodaenko
in reply to FediTips has moved! • • •@feditips Still true: "#Facebook has grown large enough to be fundamentally unable to control a broad range of abuse on its platform. Facebook’s profitability comes from externalizing the cost of consequences of that abuse to the entire world." https://circle.lt/post/20201117-breaking-up-facebook/
Stop helping #FB* externalize its costs while corrupting and absorbing the few spaces still out of reach of the big tech.
* I refuse to comply with their rebrand away from #CambridgeAnalyticaScandal and #MyanmarGenocide.
Breaking up Facebook - Circle of Light
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Owen 🇦🇺
in reply to FediTips has moved! • • •Not just "take control", but data mine and profile everyone, as they currently do with Faecesbook and Insta.
Zombie Pirate Gator 🐊
in reply to FediTips has moved! • • •@feditips
I came to Mastodon to get away from Twitter. Later, I divorced myself from Reddit. If my family and old school friends weren't on Facebook, That site would have been sent to hell as well.
Facebook Purity is an app I run on Facebook to make it somewhat palatable.
Zuckerberg is all abut the $$$.
Dustin D. Wind
in reply to FediTips has moved! • • •@feditips Please tell me this is a terrible anachronistic April Fools' prank.
There's zero chance Meta has any interest in anything but kneecapping their competition and/or buying it up to destroy it. It's become a time-honored tactic under robber-baron capitalism.
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wendinaokland
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Owen 🇦🇺
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Most of us are here to get AWAY from these corporate leeches.
They only want to data mine and profile you and your data - and everyone you communicate with's data.
Bad decision to directly integrate with them.
I realise they can stand up their own Masto server - but they don't see all of the exchanges like they will doing this.
wen
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Cătă likes this.
Autiste à :ch_Vaud: 🌊 🦕 #woke
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈
in reply to Autiste à :ch_Vaud: 🌊 🦕 #woke • • •Autiste à :ch_Vaud: 🌊 🦕 #woke
in reply to Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈 • • •Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈
in reply to Autiste à :ch_Vaud: 🌊 🦕 #woke • • •Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)
in reply to Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈 • • •Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈
in reply to Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) • • •Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)
in reply to Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈 • • •Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈
in reply to Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) • • •Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)
in reply to Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈 • • •Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈
in reply to Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) • • •Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)
in reply to Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈 • • •Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈
in reply to Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) • • •@tokyo_0 sure, but scraping is not using. My point was that they probably already scrap the fediverse for a long time - just like google and so on.
With the Fediverse, my actual question is whats unauthorised use? Do I agree to share my content with every instance my instance shares it with? Is there something I agreed on?
Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)
in reply to Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️🌈 • • •@fabiscafe Your post, which I responded to, stated that they (Meta) don't need to be on the Fediverse to grab data from the Fediverse.
As we've discussed, while many things are technically possible, in practice such a large high profile organization's doing that in order to use the data would be putting itself at such considerable legal risk it would almost definitely choose not to. The exact details of how the legal challenges would unfold don't need to be thrashed out for that to be clear.
Deniz Opal
in reply to Tokyo Outsider (337ppm) • • •@tokyo_0 @fabiscafe
Except Meta have done much worse things than just make a fake Mastodon server. I don't think they care about the laws if they won't get caught. I always assumed one of the big Mastodon instances was a Meta Trojan anyway 🤷
tosse
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Class war also happens on the internet, you know...
Deniz Opal
Unknown parent • • •Deniz Opal
Unknown parent • • •@tokyo_0 @fabiscafe
I just don't think they would care 🤷
Stefan
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •Very disappointing to watch how the Ambitions of you have changed since the humble beginnings of Mastodon.
Back in the Days you're Intention was to develop an Alternative to a Platform of BigTech because you disliked the given Experience with Surveillance, Misbehavior, Centralization and Capitalism.
Now you seem to embrace any kind of Connection to those greedy Companies with all of their negative Effects?!
Feels like betrayal in a Way, seems Money still changes People. 🙄
PocketEleri
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@mosseri How do you plan to properly protect users and combat dangerous hate groups like LibsOfTikTok? Groups which Meta are either unable or unwilling to keep off of the platform.
And short of defederating how are smaller instances meant to keep up with the increased moderation workload that this will require?
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Bernd Paysan R.I.P Natenom 🕯️
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •@mosseri One-way? I.e. you can read, but not interact?
Many commercial platforms that had access to open protocols were one-way and stayed one-way. The idea is to suck people in who use the open protocol, and not give back.
I remember the times where all important chat platforms from Google Talk to QQ were XMPP, and you could use essentially any XMPP client to talk to them, BUT they never did the interconnection with other XMPP servers.
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Luna Lactea
in reply to Eugen Rochko • • •