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in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri@www.threads.net can’t wait to follow @wendys@threads.net from Mastodon. Need all the square burger memes I can get… 😜
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri Nice to see some positivity towards this instead of all the negativity!
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri I have mixed emotions about it, wanting the positive aspects without the negative. I’m a little apprehensive, though I followed him from one of my PixelFed accounts as a test.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I think this is great. This is what fediverse is about: federating instances. Worst case is that we have a big new shitty instance, so we have everything to win and nothing to lose.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

we can have an interoperable social web without the likes of zuckerberg and his ethically questionable and privacy invasive platforms. He does not deserve the benefit of the doubt because he's already proved that he doesn't deserve it time and time again
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri As someone who dealt with FB before, they have never let go of the motto of "Don't get caught." If they get their hooks in, the Fediverse is dead within 18 months.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri anyone know what the other profiles are?
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri I admire your excitement, yet I feel they just treat #fedi as yet another place to spread ads. I've already muted that "instance".
in reply to Eugen Rochko

If you’ve got questions about what interoperability with #Threads means, we wrote this up back in July, and you can still refer to it:

https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2023/07/what-to-know-about-threads/

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Eugen, I know I'm not the only one who believes that Threads will become the "MEGALOVANIA of the fediverse". If it happens billions (or milliards) of people will join. Gonna follow Mossery and even you on Threads. Also you can follow me on Threads @luiscgm20
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Sharing the same excitement! I've been waiting for this!!! I don't want to go back to Instagram but there are people I can bother on Threads 🤣 Yaaay!
in reply to Eugen Rochko

will threads users be able to switch servers and take all of their old data with them like you can on any normal Mastodon server?

My guess is no, but wondering if you have some understanding.

Also, initially it seems like threads users can’t follow us, but we can follow (some of) them. Will this change?

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Make no mistake, this is huge for Mastodon. Currently people have to choose between X, Mastodon, and Threads, and network effects play a dominant role in that choice. If we can say, you can access all the folks that went to Threads from a Mastodon account, that makes it a far more attractive option given all of its other perks 😉
in reply to Eugen Rochko

that's also my take. I am curious to see what Threads quote posts would look like on Mastodon though. (Still personally really excited about that roadmap item.)
in reply to Eugen Rochko

yes, I'd like to keep my home base here, but have access to the other platforms through the bridges. Hopefully, everyone behaves.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

except for the trigger happy admins already blocking threads for whatever reason lol
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Also puts pressure on Bluesky (which has some traction in some German bubbles) to federate fast, too.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I’m really excited for this. I’ve mainly been using Threads because people I wanted to follow were more active there, but I’m way more inclined to spend time on Mastodon if I can see everything there at the same time.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Very exciting! Will Threads folks be able to see it if we @ them?
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

Honestly Facebook has a lot to atone for before I will let them attempt to embrace and extend my corner of the Fediverse like they did RSS.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

do we really believe that they are doing this because they believe in supporting the fediverse?
in reply to jaryl

@jaryl The world is full of gullible people and plenty of people ready to exploit them for their own gain, unfortunately :cat_frown:
in reply to Eugen Rochko

i totally agree. I think this could be a great boost for Mastodon.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

This is awesome! I was able to follow @mosseri from my #Mastodon, #Misskey & #Pixelfed accounts!

This is huge, especially when you consider many people, politicians & brands on #Threads will consider setting up their own instances under their own domain & connect with the rest of the #Fediverse!

Also with prominent sites using #WordPress, we could see everyone from #NASA to the #WhiteHouse join the Fediverse (pending activation of the #ActivityPub plugin).

in reply to Darnell Clayton :verified:

@darnell How does it work? Is Threads only federating with certain servers. I’m unable to follow or view any profiles or posts on Threads from my Mastodon account.
in reply to Ben Ramsey

@ramsey #Threads is only activating #ActivityPub for select accounts like @mosseri for testing purposes. The rest are not active yet.

#Flipboard is doing something similar (see @mike & @espn).

in reply to Darnell Clayton :verified:

@darnell That makes sense. Still doesn’t make sense why I can’t load those accounts through Mastodon or follow them, even though, clearly, others on my server were able to follow them.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

FB mines data from others (related users) than specific users. Does the same apply to Threads vs Mastodon?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

one thing that just comes to mind is zombie accounts.

Since #greedflation and the other atrocities I have #negativetrust in corporations. This means if they do something like this, I assume malice.

Now I figured what could happen:
- put ads in every 2nd post of #threads to fedi federation
- do federation only reading so you cant see threads posts on mastodon but both on threads = people leave
- spam the fediverse with bot accounts that sway public opinion like facebook

in reply to Eugen Rochko

the argument works also the other way round.
If I can get the fediverse from my data collection site of choice, I have no motivation to make an account on mastodon.
in reply to 🏳️‍🌈 Alex

@einalex Being ad free, tracker free, open and still interoperable are huge perks for here.
in reply to Tim Chambers

@tchambers undoubtedly. They are however seemingly irrelevant for the vast amounts of people clinging to the alternatives.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

this is a valid reason not to have a Threads account and just keep using Mastodon 🙂
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Ok. I’ll behave. You have to start with assuming good intentions.

If actual #interoperability appears, where Threads users can find other ActivityPub users as easily as Threads users, and #Fediverse users aren’t made to jump through hoops to get followed in there, I’m all for it.

If #Meta doesn’t send in it’s goons and exercise it’s immense monetary might to take over nonprofits and boards that decide the future of the #protocol, I’m all for it.

Let’s see. 🕑

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

freedom of choice is the key principle. I already blocked all Meta subnets on our pacifist mastodon instance because of the role of this company in promoting nationalism, white supremacism and even genocide in Burma, according to UN reports. I won’t block or silence communities who will act otherwise, and I hope that communities determined to keep evil companies outside of their door won’t be marginalized in the Fediverse, which is my greatest fear and an actual risk.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I can relate to that. It is similar to "I can use LibreOffice but still interact with Microsoft Office".
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Currently you have to choose between Pizza, Indian or Mexican. But with new Chicken Tikka Tamale Pizza…
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I just don't want Meta to scrape my posts and images that I put here.

I want nobody from Meta to read what I post here *unless* I choose to connect with them. And even then, I want to keep control. Which I doubt is possible.

Yes, I am on FB. But I do post very differently over there because I am aware of the total lack of privacy over there.

Same goes for Xitter.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I don't care about interoperability as much as I care of having my social network experience free from corporate interests and all the data grabbing, LLM-feeding, "engagement"-driving, ad-selling, election-manipulating anti-democratic bullshit they bring in to inevitably ruin everything nice.

So unless Meta is somehow deprivatized and transformed into an international, community-owned network, I will defederate.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

but are people using Threads? Twitter/X integration would probably be a bigger deal - but there's no way that'll ever happen.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Some of my old twitter pals went over there. Excited to see their content again ^^
in reply to Eugen Rochko

My main reason why I am excited for this is that I will be able to browse threads trouh a third party Mastodon client 🙏
in reply to Eugen Rochko

is there a way to completely block a server from accessing my Mastodon profile and have a whitelist for specific accounts from that block server? That way i’d feel a bit better regarding Threads. Although the feature is awesome, as long as Threads is managed by Facebook, i just see “Threats” as the real name! Facebook is a 100% money driven corporation, they do not care for standards or goodwild features…
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I hope they don't drop this support later when they see the content they're linking with is useless for their business. But it's a good way to introduce people to the fediverse. I think a lot of people are scared of it. This may make them used to it. Let's hope it's positive for everybody, and not just Meta.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

as many on Threads/Instagram won't come to Mastodon and the like, it'll be good to have some way to connecting with them. 🙂
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Umm, there’s more than Mastodon and Threads as alternatives to Twixter. But you must know that, so what am I missing?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Just gonna screencap this so I can repost it in a year when your shit has gone down in flames because META suborned your rectal orifice.
in reply to Androcat

LMAO this has got to be the funniest, and easily the dumbest comment I've read on this entire platform to date.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

i would agree ASSUMING they actually follow thru and allow full access to thier network. Honestly I doubt they will… Read only access for a handful of accounts is not going to help much and i for one don’t trust Zuck.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I was happy to choose between Mastodon, X, and Threads so I could leave the corrupt billionaires and their fascist power plays behind.

It was an intentional choice.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

very interesting update. So I could finally close the unused business accounts in the x-bird and open in threads and follow them from here. Or I could open them here and people on threads could follow. Is that how it will work?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

for all of us that leveraged the bird.makeup hack, to remain connected with the holdouts, do you anticipate anyone building a mapping utility that might permit Mastodon users to follow those :twitter: holdouts that finally made the move to :mastodon: or 🧵 ?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

they make money from ads, while you deliver web services for free? seems odd doesn't it?

I think what's needed is a 3rd-party app for Mastodon that does have ads, people will use it.

If done right some of that money can pay for Mastodon's costs.

People like ads, I've decided. Weird but I'm pretty sure about it.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I really want to quote-tweet this sockless wonder. Please???
https://www.threads.net/@mosseri/post/C01zMgWp4V-
in reply to Eugen Rochko

the only thing I miss from Threads is the ability to limit who can comment on my posts. Sure, there are private posts etc., but I'd like to have it a little more fine-grained.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Those who start playing with the devil will end up in hell.

#FCKMeta

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Agreed. I'm really looking forward to fédération being enabled by Threads and Tumblr, the latter of which has recently also reiterated that they are still working on AcitivityPub support.
Wordpress has also been improving their AcitivityPub support quite massively recently, things are looking pretty good!
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Do you still trust meta? Their only interest is to harvest & sell user data. I am really concerned about meta creeping into our privacy. Are there any checks in place to prevent data collection?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Your reasoning boils down to: "Selling cigarettes brings customers through the door!".

I have to say, I'm not particularly happy about that.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

meta already is letting far right accounts stay, notable ex. Libs of Tiktok
in reply to Eugen Rochko

So Threads won't get blocked from mastodon.social and mastodon.online ? Maybe I have to switch servers again since "my" admin currently blocks Threads - and I'm not really happy about that.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Please allow follower only comments! After the european start of Threads I don't fear that vain influencers could misuse this feature (they have their accounts there) but it would save us from Threads trolls.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

is problem related to wanting convenience of everything in one place
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I know who owns threads and this is all I need to know. I do not want to engage with them in any fashion. If I cannot block their interaction with mastodon I guess I will be leaving mastodon as well. If I wanted to interact with threads, facebook, meta, truth social, or any other fascist social media site I would join those sites. I am here because I do not want to be there.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

thank you for this. I’ve seen a lot of noise (and outrage!) today about how Meta will harvest user data from federated servers and insert advertising. I appreciate that you’ve addressed these points clearly in this blog for lay people like me to understand!
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Not interested.

Threads, like Meta's Facebook will be the engine of disinformation, replacing Twitter.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

You want to federate with Zuck? Interoperable web - with Zuck?
Are you as gullible as you seem? Blocking you
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri In the official Mastodon app, I could only view profiles; in the web browser, I was just sent to Threads in the Remo view, but compatibility may be improved in the future.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri
lol, I can follow the big boss, but I can't follow myself. Ain't that just the way of the Valley...
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Joe
@VE2UWY I think the movement might well go in the other direction. Threads/Instagram users might realize that they can escape the ads and the algorithm without giving up connections to their friends. If threads.net becomes yet another fediverse server why not choose a better one?
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Eugen Rochko
@aeisenberg @not2b @VE2UWY Automatic migration as a feature is relatively speaking a moot point. Some platforms here still don’t have it either. If you can follow all the same people from a different platform there’s no barriers to switching to a different platform.
in reply to Joe

@not2b @VE2UWY there’s no guarantee that threads will allow its users to migrate as normal mastodon instances do. I’m not hopeful that they will allow it, but I have no evidence either way.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

my reason to be on the #fediverse is precisely avoiding the Zucks and the Elons... That's why I migrated my @mastodon.social account to an instance which preventively defederated them.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri I can't say that I am filled with joy by this news. Meta is the scorpion from the story of 'the scorpion and the frog;...Long story short, it it did not end well for the frog!
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri I think it's not a very good idea for long term. We dont want the Google -XMPP story again
@ploum talk about it here https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

I'm pretty concerned that a business, multiple privacy condemned ad network that can't even respect the EU privacy laws opens itself with a great smile to its exact opposite. Does Mark embrace users to extend and extinguish ?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri
> a few selected profiles

Is there a list somewhere of profiles on #Threads that the public can access using #ActivityPub ?

in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri
I don't like how it's only one way. This feels more like them advertising by setting up the equivalent of a Twitter relay, rather than actually federating.

Still going to set up an account there, just so I can have a presence if it does take off, but really, I'm all in on Fediverse at this point.

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri For a moment there I thought @threads.social was another federation attempt, but seems like that instance is entirely unrelated
in reply to Eugen Rochko

‼️ ‼️ Beware ‼️ ‼️
https://ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

@mosseri

in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri I understand your excitement, but I doubt that federation will remain after a certain number of mastodonties (to be determined by Threads) follws their accounts.
in reply to HistoPol (#HP)

@HistoPol Not from here - this instance is a Fedipact server which is blocking Meta. For now I’m relying on the rest of the Mastodon community to report on how they’re behaving - and from there ultimately decide on whether to remain here or not.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

maybe I don't understand something, but I can't follow @mosseri. Is it because I'm on the mas.to server?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

thanks for the heads up, just blocked threads.net

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in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri I can open the profile but I’m not able to see posts. Am I doing anything wrong?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri Right, thanks for the heads up. Blocked the whole threads.net server straight away. #notinterested #bye 🤭
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri depends if you're into facebook, not gonna call them meta, getting access to the data of everyone who follows a threads account, which of course isn't desirable because we came here, among other things, specifically to avoid that. Also, what would happen if they pull a google on us and defederate when they got enough data, forcing the people who used the federation to meet cool people to make a threads account? are we ready for that? those are questions we should begin asking.
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Ben Ramsey
@binarytango @darnell It’s weird because, when I go to the Moderation > Federation admin page for my server, I can see that 2 of my server’s users follow 3 threads.net accounts, but I have no idea how its done.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri Do you really advocate for Meta , who owns threads which is tied to Instagram, to access a user'sMastodon account? Threads seems bad enough tying Threads to Instagram and Facebook, adding non-Meta app seems a step too far to me. They'll get your personsl information anyway, but opening the door for them is too much.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri
Ta créature t'a dépassé. Les gens ne sont pas sur Mastodon pour y voir les FB, Meta, TikTok et autres aspirateurs de données les poursuivre ici. Ton schéma est v.i.e.u.x. et tellement XX siècle ☠️
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Sorry, we've already see how this works: embrace, extend, and extinguish.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

What else does Facebook have to do to lose your trust in them?

This amazes me.

But maybe they are the good guys after all? They also support other W3C standards like HTML!

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I wish half the fediverse wouldn't block it. To be honest the fedi sucks because of this and will suck even more, the more it grows. :(
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@FabianLaasch

He points in his Bio still to his Twitter Account. I'm not sure if he really uses Social media. 😁

#Threads

in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri As we know we can't see much details about profiles on other servers and Mastodon suggests to visit original profile page. Now, if I wanted to see all followers of Threads profile, I go to Threads site and all I get is login prompt. Will this be addressed? Will it stay that way and we will get only limited info about Threads profiles (while Threads and any other user can browse Mastodon original profiles freely)?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri

We don't need to inter-operate with the antisocial web that harbours fascists.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri

Is it enough to block #Threads from your account to do this:

1. Open that profile.
2. Block domain.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri i believe meta uses threads to censor people and do nasty things if this gets traction. The point of fediverse is to "break free" from corporate shackles. I don't trust non-free platforms especially Meta which is the worst offender in terms of users privacy. Meta/Facebook is a surveillance engine. #StallmanIsRight #FreeSoftware
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I think the idea is great and the more we introduce people to decentralization (whether federation, blockchain decentralization, etc), the better. I'm just concerned about the motives. Meta never does anything without ulterior motives that allow them to harvest data, sell that data and train AI with that data.

If they're doing this solely to crawl the Fediverse for data to train AI, is this really a positive?

Again, I really like the idea of getting more people onboarded with decentralized social media (especially since that's what the WWW was always supposed to be) but I feel like it really isn't a positive thing, given what we know about Meta.

Ah well, I guess we'll all have to hope for the best but expect the worst.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri Nope, nope, nope. I have an Instagram account and often get bombarded with Threads — see who you know etc. crap from there. I refuse to download it!!!
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri wait it’s only one way? Hopefully they fix that pretty soon or they’ll have proved what everyone was saying pretty quickly
in reply to felface

@felface @mosseri

They’ve explained that it is one way for now and that they are fully intending to allow full interaction over time. They’re trying to get it right.

in reply to Bam

@Bam @mosseri fair enough, I’ll guess we’ll have to wait and see, this could be huge or it could be awful
in reply to felface

@mosseri

You always have the option of muting or blocking the instance, just like you do with any other instance. Personally, I’m excited to follow and interact with the people I want to from here in a client and using a platform I love, without having to head “over there.”

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in reply to Bam

@Bam @mosseri 💯 the benefits are massive but I’m just very skeptical of FB
in reply to felface

@felface @mosseri

Totally get it. But if it helps, I think Meta sees a few things going on. 1) decentralization is the future and they know the walled gardens are going to come down, so they are betting on making their clients and algos a way that most people will want to introduce and participate in that. They aren’t after those of us here to avoid that. 2) I love Mastodon but it’s not the big fish. But WordPress is huge for them. And giving creators the ability to interact with followers from Wordpress is a big deal. 3) Threads could also be a test for opening IG to AP and giving their creators there, who are truly committed to that platform, greater reach (something Tik Tok, for example, doesn’t have).

in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri I won't mind accessing their accounts as long as it doesn't put money in the pocket of meta
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri

I don't trust Meta coming to the Fediverse. They are bound to take it over and destroy it.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri https://mastodon.ie/@davey_cakes/111578095588208885

Nope. Not a fan. I don't want the kind of people that support whatever makes money to have a toehold here.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri Are only some accounts accessible via ActivityPub? When I try to search for others I get an error.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri That's cool. I can't see any of their posts, but it'll be cool to see when it actually rolls out.
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Meta wants to monopolise all communication media, telephony, IM, the lot.
in reply to Cedric Knight 🌍💙

@Cedric Knight @Eugen Rochko If it doesn't mean losing any of their friends, more will likely move over to the fediverse. Twitter API used to make it possible to mirror your account to Twitter and back and no one viewed that as a sell out move
in reply to Eugen Rochko

curious what are the select profiles? besides mosseri. How do we find them?
in reply to Sarah Perez 💙

@Sarahp Just search for Threads.net and you'll see the three accounts that have been granted access at this time.
in reply to Sarah Perez 💙

@Sarahp We are only aware if this one and 2 engineers for now. This question is for the Threads team to answer, as it depends on them.

@Gargron

in reply to Eugen Rochko

@lisamelton How do you follow his threads account? All I get is a web page and searching on both account styles in mastodon brings up nothing. Maybe my server has already defederated them?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

This is really disappointing, Eugen.

Meta's track record on human rights is so terrible, Amnesty International issued a report about their involvement in genocide:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/ASA16/5933/2022/en/

This is the kind of company you're excited about working with?

There is zero chance Meta is genuinely interested in interoperability, they just want to take over control of whatever community the Fediverse has built up. As Meta's CEO said, people who trust him are "stupid f**ks".

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in reply to FediTips has moved!

@feditips Threads is going to lay in ActivityPub support whether we like it or not, because the EU won’t let them stay in business there if they don’t. That ship has sailed; nothing we do here can change that.

What instance admins *can* do here is block Threads. If they do, they’d also block Threads users from…easily moving to their friendly neighborhood Mastodon host.

Who would that help, and more importantly, who would that hurt?

in reply to Michael Fisher

@mjf_pro
"they’d also block Threads users from…easily moving to their friendly neighborhood Mastodon host. "

No.

There is no account migration system on Threads.

You cannot move your account from Threads to Mastodon.

in reply to FediTips has moved!

@feditips Yet. New things get rolled into old things in stages, that’s just normal IT development cadence. The whole point of the APub deal with the EU was that antitrust claims would be set aside if Meta tears down their walls and lets their users exit with their social graph. If they don’t fulfill that part of the bargain, they lose their ability to operate in the EU, yes?
in reply to Michael Fisher

@mjf_pro
Meta will do the minimum amount needed, sabotage it, drag their heels and not apply it outside the EU.

There is not even an EU law yet, and Meta will do nothing until there is and until it is enforced, if it ever is.

There is no reason to trust Meta at all, they have done the most awful things:

https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/ethiopia-facebook-algorithms-contributed-human-rights-abuses-against-tigrayans

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2021/dec/06/rohingya-sue-facebook-myanmar-genocide-us-uk-legal-action-social-media-violence

in reply to FediTips has moved!

@feditips Still true: "#Facebook has grown large enough to be fundamentally unable to control a broad range of abuse on its platform. Facebook’s profitability comes from externalizing the cost of consequences of that abuse to the entire world." https://circle.lt/post/20201117-breaking-up-facebook/

Stop helping #FB* externalize its costs while corrupting and absorbing the few spaces still out of reach of the big tech.

* I refuse to comply with their rebrand away from #CambridgeAnalyticaScandal and #MyanmarGenocide.

in reply to FediTips has moved!

@feditips
Not just "take control", but data mine and profile everyone, as they currently do with Faecesbook and Insta.
in reply to FediTips has moved!

@feditips
I came to Mastodon to get away from Twitter. Later, I divorced myself from Reddit. If my family and old school friends weren't on Facebook, That site would have been sent to hell as well.

Facebook Purity is an app I run on Facebook to make it somewhat palatable.

Zuckerberg is all abut the $$$.

in reply to FediTips has moved!

@feditips Please tell me this is a terrible anachronistic April Fools' prank.

There's zero chance Meta has any interest in anything but kneecapping their competition and/or buying it up to destroy it. It's become a time-honored tactic under robber-baron capitalism.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

As #meta federation approaches actuality, I’m feeling more nervous and skeptical that there will be any way to protect ourselves from an onslaught of commercialization and or bot-filled infiltration. Maybe paranoia, but it’s concerning.
#meta
in reply to Eugen Rochko

Most of us are here to get AWAY from these corporate leeches.

They only want to data mine and profile you and your data - and everyone you communicate with's data.

Bad decision to directly integrate with them.
I realise they can stand up their own Masto server - but they don't see all of the exchanges like they will doing this.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

Will "Block domain" work to block threads so the onus is on users instead of instance admins?
in reply to Eugen Rochko

I haven't moved to Fediverse for Metaverse to extand its arms over my data here as well. The interoperability shouldn't result in the enforcement of the GAFAM economic model on all of us outside it. And I'm afraid Meta will try to impose it's logic on the whole Fediverse if we allow it.
in reply to Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈

@fabiscafe Actually, it does by refusing to collect and use my data to create new products sold to third-parties, that is advertisers. This is the real issue. Not the fact that you make something public or not. And I don't wish for Meta to extand this economic model to the fediverse.
in reply to Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈

@fabiscafe That would be a violation of the terms of the service, though, and there are already whole frameworks in place for that. You "can" drive in the wrong direction on your side of the road but it doesn't mean it's good idea or that it doesn't have consequences. Please take these tired Meta-shill talking points somewhere else. @ariane
in reply to Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)

@tokyo_0 you dont agree to terms of services you tone use? For copyright, i dont know how this applies to profile building. But i guess this also also depends on your instances legal location.
in reply to Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈

@fabiscafe In practice it's very technically feasible to scrape web content, trivial even. But legally it's not legitimate in most jurisdictions and any large high-profile organisations doing it would run into problems very quickly.
in reply to Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)

@tokyo_0 it's more of a "to use", not "to scrape" this data, isnt it? But in this case, how is it even handled on the fediverse - do you know this by any chance?
in reply to Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈

@fabiscafe You'd have to scrape it to use it. I think unauthorised use of content would be handled the same way on the Fediverse to any other website or service.
in reply to Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)

@tokyo_0 sure, but scraping is not using. My point was that they probably already scrap the fediverse for a long time - just like google and so on.

With the Fediverse, my actual question is whats unauthorised use? Do I agree to share my content with every instance my instance shares it with? Is there something I agreed on?

in reply to Fabian (Bocchi) 🏳️‍🌈

@fabiscafe Your post, which I responded to, stated that they (Meta) don't need to be on the Fediverse to grab data from the Fediverse.

As we've discussed, while many things are technically possible, in practice such a large high profile organization's doing that in order to use the data would be putting itself at such considerable legal risk it would almost definitely choose not to. The exact details of how the legal challenges would unfold don't need to be thrashed out for that to be clear.

in reply to Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)

@tokyo_0 @fabiscafe

Except Meta have done much worse things than just make a fake Mastodon server. I don't think they care about the laws if they won't get caught. I always assumed one of the big Mastodon instances was a Meta Trojan anyway 🤷

in reply to Eugen Rochko

And so it dies
Class war also happens on the internet, you know...
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@tokyo_0 @fabiscafe Not debating that, just your point that Meta wouldn't consider being anon in the Fediverse.
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in reply to Eugen Rochko

Very disappointing to watch how the Ambitions of you have changed since the humble beginnings of Mastodon.

Back in the Days you're Intention was to develop an Alternative to a Platform of BigTech because you disliked the given Experience with Surveillance, Misbehavior, Centralization and Capitalism.

Now you seem to embrace any kind of Connection to those greedy Companies with all of their negative Effects?!

Feels like betrayal in a Way, seems Money still changes People. 🙄

in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri How do you plan to properly protect users and combat dangerous hate groups like LibsOfTikTok? Groups which Meta are either unable or unwilling to keep off of the platform.

And short of defederating how are smaller instances meant to keep up with the increased moderation workload that this will require?

in reply to Eugen Rochko

@mosseri One-way? I.e. you can read, but not interact?

Many commercial platforms that had access to open protocols were one-way and stayed one-way. The idea is to suck people in who use the open protocol, and not give back.

I remember the times where all important chat platforms from Google Talk to QQ were XMPP, and you could use essentially any XMPP client to talk to them, BUT they never did the interconnection with other XMPP servers.

in reply to Eugen Rochko

I think this will not end well at all. Didn't both Google & Facebook kill XMPP this way?