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in reply to anubis2814

Personnally I have much respect for animism and shamanism. First : they are tolerant ...
in reply to anubis2814

Animism doesn't contradict monotheism, at least not Islam. The Quran speaks to humans as well as to spirits.
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I think most Muslims would take issue with the deification, exhalation, and idolization of spirits. A naturalist might worship with locals to connect to the spirits, but a Muslim has a general practice of worship. We don't know what knowledge was lost in the destruction of pagan temples in India, but we can ascribe the reason for their destruction to non-standard practices (extra-monotheistic.) Worship of spirits, without the need to ascribe ultimate divinity, is a provision of faith refused by monotheism by definition.
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@anyspace The jinn are spirits they believe in, that are neither good nor bad in nature. some are bad and need exorcised. It is a form of animism and requires you to at least be careful with your surroundings.
in reply to anubis2814

Jimmy are an explanation for animism, but not animist in nature. They are understood as having natural reality. Animism can transcend the limits of nature and spirits can become deities in themselves.
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@anyspace It depends on the animism, some don't even have the concept of gods.
in reply to anubis2814

For sure. I think that there can be animistic polytheism and polytheistic animism, but also as you say deity-free animism.
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anubis2814
@Petra van Cronenburg An extra layer of bureaucracy doesn't mean a perfect defense.
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anubis2814
@Petra van Cronenburg I was referring to what i said about animism in general. "It acts as a layer of Buerocracy to protect nature". When great power, profits or victory was in the balance however, the buerocracy was often crushed.
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jakintosh
@NatureMC here in Vermont USA we have a really strict state-level land protection policy called Act 250, and, while it has done a decent job of protecting rural land, it has also created one of the tightest housing markets in the US which has led to a stagnant and aging population, a huge percentage of extremely rent-burdened residents, chronic (and increasing) homelessness. the inability to build up has also made our transportation emissions (cars) one of the highest in the country
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@NatureMC all this to say: I think what makes animism so compelling in your post is that your examples are cultural. it was a decentralized belief structure that impacted people at the individual decision making level. a bureaucratic version imposed from the top doesn’t change wants/needs, it changes permissions, and has no way to let people rectify real conflicts between beliefs and truly urgent needs in specific situations.
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@jakintosh @Petra van Cronenburg Much of that is probably caused by single family only zoning, Yes the law prevents suburban sprawl but suburbs are evil anyway
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@NatureMC it’s a combo: conservation policy makes “high impact” buildings in urban centers far more expensive to build, so builders focus on “lower impact” building (SFH), which creates and enforces sprawl. point being that bureaucracy to protect the land is still bureaucracy, in that it often does not yield the desired outcome and is very difficult to stop.