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in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

sleep is the one that always gets me.

but yeah, the basic tired, thirsty, hungry stuff is important to keep in mind. easy to forget that human physiological constraints affect your mood.

making checklists that include small things also help a ton for me, but that might just be the ADHD.

in reply to pinecones

also I've dealt with depression life-long and something I've used to reframe how it affects me is by considering negative self-talk as a delusion.

if I'm being particularly down on myself or feeling like everything is bad or will turn out bad, I remind myself that it's the delusion speaking and that's not ME.

I am not my negative inner monologue. I am not my depression. it is lying to me.

in reply to pinecones

this came from looking into "depressive realism" and realizing that it fit me.

but if you buy into the basic concept you have to either choose to believe that the world is a terrible place and that normal people are delusional OR that believing the world is a terrible place itself is delusional.

but you have a choice in what you choose to believe.

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in reply to pinecones

@pinecones_sx Big same, it sounded silly to me at first, but of course it's all connected
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

no 24-hour news beyond if you need to watch it for immediately needed information
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@tayfonay normally I wouldn’t recommend YouTube for stuff like this, but I have found that it works for me when I need to know about something specific that’s going on. I can find a reputable source’s blurb on just that topic/incident. I don’t have to sit through stuff I don’t want to know about just to see what I want to see.
It helps.
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

I try to think about the overwhelming indifference of the universe. That usually makes me feel better.
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@theropologist This cuts both ways. If I feel like the universe is out to get me, it can help with that. But if I'm feeling lonely, meaningless, or powerless it can make it worse. More often than not, when I'm feeling down, it's one of the latter reasons.
in reply to Aaron

@hosford42 @theropologist I've certainly felt both, but I try to remember that I choose my own meaning, maybe I just like feeling in control, but it helps sometimes
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

@theropologist My fanatical Christian upbringing makes that difficult, as I was trained from birth to see meaning as derived from outside myself, and to discount any meaning I might have found within. I'm not religious now, and I've revisited (I would say, corrected) that understanding of meaning to be more like what you describe. But the habit of automatically dismissing my own meaning is still so strong within me despite having escaped that way of thinking decades ago. It's a real struggle. Maybe there's good religion out there, but the one I grew up with really did a lot of damage.
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@hosford42 @theropologist It's funny, I was literally just about to type out a similar sentiment. I was raised very religious too. You're only important as a vessel for God and Church, is really hard to breed out of you! But people are looking for meaning, it's probably just a trait of the living. You can see why people so easily get drawn into cults.
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@hosford42 @theropologist richard rohr's "the universal christ" is an amazing read in that regard -- he explores the concept of "original goodness" as opposed to "original sin", and acknowledges the serious damage the latter concept has done to so many of us. https://store.cac.org/collections/books/products/the-universal-christ
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The antidote for meaninglessness, I've found, is to think about this place, in this moment, as a secret place known only to me (or those with me). It helps me to focus on the fact that experiencing it and/or sharing it with loved ones is what brings it meaning. No one else gets to know what happened here, what we felt, saw, or thought. That makes it special.
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in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

Sleep is vital.

Corollary: Chronic insomnia is a cast-iron bitch with poisoned spike heels.

in reply to Cheradenine Zakalwe

@zakalwe Truth. Something silly, I have a friend who always claims he has terrible insomnia. So, I start asking questions, turns out he just like staying up til 3 am playing WOW, but then sleeps until 11 am. I laughed, he doesn't have insomnia, just a different sleep schedule.
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I admit to being a bit of a night owl, but I try my best to be in bed by midnight. If I'm LUCKY I'll be asleep by around 4am. Some nights I just don't get to sleep at all.
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@zakalwe That sucks! I do think that some people just are and the world doesn't work around them
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@zakalwe My friend Cam has unmedicated ADD, and he doesn't have a sleep schedule so much as he just crashes when his body can't stay up anymore. If he gets quiet with nothing stimulating him, he's gone and waking him is a whole thing.
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

Coffee is known to work as a quick pick-me-up for people feeling down. Not just me; there's research to back it up.

Don't try it for anxiety, though. It can make that worse.

in reply to Aaron

Coffee also helps you at least not feel quite as dead-on-your-feet as a side-effect of the aforementioned insomnia.
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

Godzilla movies and chocolate and popcorn! Flee, puny hoomans, flee! Aaaaaaahahahahaha!
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in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

How about telling yourself that it's OK to feel sad? We're trying to convince each other of the opposite by sharing only/mostly the great things that happen to us. It can make you feel shit about your own life. But everybody has their own issues they struggle with. It's OK.

And take a break from internet life.

in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

A friend of mine wouldn’t put up with certain parts of my depression a few years back.

“I’m stupid, I’ll never figure this mess out. Might as well give it up.”
“Stop saying mean things about people I love!”
“I didn’t, I’m talking about myself—“
“Exactly! You’re not stupid, and you’re a whole person, feelings, fears, hopes, and all. You can be down, but don’t ever be down on yourself.”

in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

I have been working for the last couple of months to develop habits around daily activity, whether it's just walking or mixing in weight training.

While it originally started due to back pain, I have to say that it has significantly shifted my mood. I've struggled with depression most of my adult life, and this feels pleasantly odd.

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@hybridhavoc It is crazy how much doing something for my physical health has helped my mental health, even just taking a 15 minute walk.
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

@hybridhavoc one of the many ways in which texas is literally hell on earth is that you can't even take a short walk in the summer. 100º+ and humid AF all the time. even if you go out early in the morning it's already unpleasant. having to stay indoors due to pandemic and then having to stay indoors due to weather for these last few years has taken a massive toll on mental health around here. i can't wait to GTFO.
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so I'll make a to-do list to try to break through the anxiety & get something accomplished. Then the top item causes so much anxiety that it doesn't get done & crashes whole list. Experts say just move the top item to the bottom then. But that is an anxiety producing move in itself.!!!
in reply to Timo

@timo21 I get that, I tend to overthink, so my general rule now is don't think anymore, just start, you don't have to finish, just start, doesn't always works, but it does more often than not
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Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr
@MaJ1 You're right, I legit think we hold ourselves back focusing on our fuck ups, atone if necessary obviously, but I think it's a big reason people give up on good things for themselves. I fucked up so I might as well give up, nope, forgive yourself and keep going.
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I was officially diagnosed with depression in 1993. I have trained myself to enjoy every little win. Make my lunch for the day so I don’t need to buy from the canteen. Win. Have a good day at work. Win. Realise I’m the only person criticising me so I’m probably wrong. Win. When you realise you’re winning so much in the things you actually can control it really helps.
And also to realise that sadness is there for a very good evolutionary reason sometimes. Win.

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@toxy Beautiful!! Despite all the complaints about social media, I've found it's been really helpful to see how my feelings are more universal than I thought, sadness and depression are not unique, sharing the load makes it easier.

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in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

Thanks for this post. I would never have posted my thoughts otherwise and it is great to see others contributing. Someone smarter than me (I don’t know who) said “The phrase ‘misery loves company’ was only partially correct. The phrase ‘misery loves miserable company’ is more apposite.”
And it is very useful. Tbh I didn’t expect a space like this in the social media hellscape. 🙂

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@toxy been therefor some years myself. What you write is very familiar. Plus I developed a compulsion to document how I felt. Diaries, one hour/3 big pages daily. I would then compare the present to the past (last week, month, year) and find the wins. Being my writing, it had the emotional memory in it and was very therapeutic.
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

If it’s situational sadness (big changes in life), we need a different type of coping mechanisms than for depression and anxiety. But in both cases, remembering small things I like/love, grounds me

For me, I think about my kid being silly, giant sunflowers, crisp autumn mornings with bright skies, great games created by talented humans… so many wonderful things in the world! ☺️

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@farah My brain gets dramatic and thinks What if I always feel this way?! Looking through old pictures and remembering that things have been bad before and I still got over it and had nice times, definitely helps me too
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

Ricki, thanks for this. 💜 Walking this list right now. The brutality of this world has got me way down. As a personal addition, going to add listening to music. It always takes me out of myself.
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

Sleeping is a bitch when you get old because you always wake with the nagging feeling that you never slept at all...
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Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr
@RolloTreadway YES AND YES! A little pre-planning when you're feeling okay is so smart. I literally say Thank you Past Me, when I remember I did a little something for myself earlier.
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

check: Are you feeling bad because your blood pressure is low (which just makes you feel crappy)? You don't need to actually measure, just figure if you're really low on energy.
This can be alleviated by one of the points on the list, "do something active".
in reply to civfanatics

@civfanatics Oh yes! And also did you take your meds today, they can make a big difference.
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

When I'm down I play my Andean flute music cd. It's on the upbeat so it's my happy music. I also like reading The #1 Ladies Detective Agency. It's light reading about good people trying to live a good life and always has a happy ending. The author intentionally writes them that way.
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I feel down every fall when monarch butterflies are done migrating and there are a few stragglers almost certainly to die by a freeze. The way I deal with it is to bring 'em in and plan for remigration in March.
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

Great list, thanks. Do not underestimate the basics. At the risk of going full cliché: Focus on some form of gratitude. Works best if you’ve already practiced in happier times.
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if you're able and have access, taking a brisk walk for at least 15 minutes. It doesn't matter if you're listening to music or whatever, but try to avoid podcasts or news. Keep your eyes up and on the world around you. Observe things. The way the wind caresses the trees —and you. The strike of your feet. The free swing of your arms. Your posture. Your breath. The creatures that surround you. Take it all in, gestalt-style. Just walk.
in reply to DirtWood

@BetaCuck4Lyfe Brisk is out of my realm at the moment, but I’m off crutches and canes and moving about, and I agree, a walk is magic cure. Sometimes I can only do half a mile, and that’s ok! I still get to say hi to trees and birds, and probably neighbors. Anyway, hard agree that fresh air and even a little movement can reset one’s consciousness.
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

That’s a really smart list. Very helpful. Thank you!
But what do you mean M&Ms aren’t food? Since when?
in reply to just another gingerbread man

@jb Enjoy them, but it shouldn’t take the place of a meal.

(If you’re like me and can’t enjoy them without the bag becoming empty moments later that may be saying too much too. I can’t have candy around, myself.)

in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

"Do something poorly" has helped me at times. Maybe I'm too down to do a proper walk - go just around the block (and be open to going further if it feels right). Get out of bed and put on clothes but not your shoes if that's a bridge too far. Wash half the dishes, or a dish.

It's "better" to do things well, but giving ourselves permission to do things poorly can help a ton.

in reply to ethan

@strangebirds I love this! In line with “a little is better than nothing” (does this expression exist in English? It does in Danish and has helped me wonderfully).
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

The expectation that we can live without living in sadness is a dysfunction. Not to go all Chauncy in Being There, but just like we love the fall colors, we should appreciate the passing they represent. This stuff’s a bit easier done when we’re older because we’ve already borne it in silence.
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It’s odd that there is this weight to saying it in the US, like it subverts our collective creation myth, that I don’t see much in other parts of the world. It’s like we live in the United States of Sad Club and you know what the first rule is.
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I think I started out trying 20mg, then increased from there when 20mg had no effect
in reply to Cheradenine Zakalwe

@zakalwe @johnshirley2024 I'm assuming there is some body chemistry involved, I use it and it works for me but it does nothing for my friend, it's kinda similar to pot, people get different things out of it
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

i do a similar rundown but i treat myself like a sim. but no, not go swimming in a pool without a ladder
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

yeah, that matches what I've since read in medical journals etc, "works for some people"

I seem to recall reading a study that identified about 12 different compounds that can be sleep triggers for different people

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Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr
@g2beanie OMG YES, when I'm not good physically it's so hard to keep my mood even, I hope things get better.
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This is a great list and all but "M&M's are not food." Are you sure about that?.gif

Serious answers:

1. Listening to music.

2. If possible, smell flowers or a pleasant fragrance.

3. Get artsy! Drawing, coloring, etc can relieve restlessness or be a good distraction.

4. Pet you cat, dog, ferret, iguana, ant farm, ET etc

5. Watch or listen to something funny. I recommend Aunty Donna. Look them up on YouTube.

in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

Late to it here, but loud-ish rock & roll can be helpful, uplifting. Bowie, Elivis Costello. For sad music… Nick Drake.
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go pet animal. Now put animal poo in a brown bag, put it on your mortal enemy’s porch.

Sometimes you have to brown bag life’s porch and light that bad boy up. Survive because it’s better than life winning.

in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

Great list. I have a similar mental checklist, but seeing yours is validating.
in reply to Ricki Is Not A Wizard Tarr

awesome, i need to remember all of these, plus - i need “it isn’t personal “ typed on a sticky note