The "Tesla EV charger" was submitted and accepted as the "North American Charging Standard" (NCAS). Now that it is a standard everyone is starting to use it. So why is the MSM and tech press covering it as "So and so is adopting the Tesla Charger" instead of "So and so is adopting the National Charging Standard"? Have they not done enough Tesla/Musk sycophancy to date or something? #tesla #ElonMusk #NCAS #EV
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Brian Fitzgerald
in reply to Hank G ☑️ • • •In July 2022, Steve Fambro and Chris Anthony, co-CEOs of Aptera Motors, created a Change.org petition to ask lawmakers to require by law the Tesla connector and charging standard on new EVs in the United States.
[8]In November 2022, Tesla renamed its previously proprietary charging connector to "North American Charging Standard" (NACS) and opened the standard to make the specs available to other EV manufacturers. Tesla argued that NACS should become the connector of choice because it is more compact, Tesla vehicles outnumber CCS equipped vehicles by a margin of two-to-one, and Tesla's Supercharging network has 60% more NACS posts than all the CCS-equipped networks combined.[9][10][11]
[12]On June 27, 2023, SAE International announced that they would standardise the connector.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_Charging_Standard
electric vehicle charging standard originally developed by Tesla
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intermobility_berlin 🌻🇪🇺
in reply to Hank G ☑️ • • •It’s a matter of getting used to. If you refer to „Tesla Charger“, everybody knows what you mean. NACS doesn’t mean much to most people, yet. The same happened in Europe after standardization of „Type 2“: People continued referring to the standard as „the Mennekes plug“. There’s nothing wrong with it, as far as I’m concerned. Language will change over time, whether you fret about it or not.
Case in point: You misspelled NACS. 😉
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intermobility_berlin 🌻🇪🇺
Unknown parent • • •No worries. Spain may seem like politically a different continent from UK perspective, but geographically you’re not leaving Europe. Your charge port that works in Portsmouth will work in Bilbao just fine.
You see, for Americans the distinction is natural. Before the standardization and NACS naming, how would you call the plug that is not CCS and is used by Tesla superchargers in all of North America, if not „Tesla plug“?
Reach for the Stars :verified:
Unknown parent • • •There are a number of factors:
- US residential electric service is lower power compared to most of the world (single phase - 210v) so the advantages of CSS2 for high voltage 3-pahse AC charging don't apply here.
- Tesla has 3 times more deployed infrastructure than all the CSS providers combined.
- The US adopted CSS 1 so there is not even compatibility with EU supply chains.
- Aside from Tesla, the EV charge providers are mostly paid to *install* chargers through court settlements and government grants. Selling electricity is not subsidized and low margin. The end result is that CSS chargers get installed, but not maintained. Non-NACS chargers now have a reputation for being persistently broken.
- In the same light, NACS ties payment to an account associated with the car. If the car has a valid account it is plug and play. CSS still has a pay-at-the-pump model which you would think would woke fine like it does at gas stations, but CSS chargers don't require an on-site attendant as backup and payment processing has a reputation of being cumbersome an
... show moreThere are a number of factors:
- US residential electric service is lower power compared to most of the world (single phase - 210v) so the advantages of CSS2 for high voltage 3-pahse AC charging don't apply here.
- Tesla has 3 times more deployed infrastructure than all the CSS providers combined.
- The US adopted CSS 1 so there is not even compatibility with EU supply chains.
- Aside from Tesla, the EV charge providers are mostly paid to *install* chargers through court settlements and government grants. Selling electricity is not subsidized and low margin. The end result is that CSS chargers get installed, but not maintained. Non-NACS chargers now have a reputation for being persistently broken.
- In the same light, NACS ties payment to an account associated with the car. If the car has a valid account it is plug and play. CSS still has a pay-at-the-pump model which you would think would woke fine like it does at gas stations, but CSS chargers don't require an on-site attendant as backup and payment processing has a reputation of being cumbersome and spotty. Even if the charger is working, you might not be able to get the payment to go through.
Karl Auerbach
in reply to Hank G ☑️ • • •Our local supercharger is one of Tesla's "Magic" ones with the CCS adapter. It's a pretty cool design - except for many cars the cable is too short (and not "a little too short" but often "way, way too short".)
In addition, the full Tesla charging experience requires a lot of non-power-delivery signalling between the car and the charger system to cover things like charge limit (Tesla loves to override the driver-set limit), and billing.
Greg A. Woods
in reply to Hank G ☑️ • • •Hank I think you can mostly blame PR and press people for focusing on "Tesla" as opposed to just saying "NACS" or mentioning SAE -- they want to pitch it all in terms people will already know and relate to. Of course part of this is also that Tesla has long (nearly a decade soon) campaigned to encourage other auto makers and charger networks to use their patents in an open exchange:
https://www.tesla.com/blog/all-our-patent-are-belong-you
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