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You may be aware that there is something called the #Fediverse.

But do you know about all the different types of applications that run on the Fediverse?

I made this visual to give myself and others something to point at when explaining "the big picture".

You may be surprised by how many services beyond Mastodon there are to explore.

Download it for free here and use as you please:
https://axbom.com/fediverse/

That post also has links to all the different applications.

#FediTips
A tree-like visual where the tree grows from a green platform labeled “ActivityPub + more”. ActivityPub is a protocol for communicating between different applications in the Fediverse. The trunk of the tree is labeled Fediverse, to indicate that all the applications within the tree crown are part of the Fediverse. The crown is made up of circles that all intersect with each other. Circle 1: Streaming, video, photo, images, files. Applications here are Downcast, PeerTube, Pixelfed and Nextcloud. Circe 2: Networking. Applications here are Friendica, Mastodon, Misskey, Pleroma, Diaspora, GnuSocial, Hubzilla, Socialhome and Lemmy. Circle 3: Music. Applications here are Funkwhale. Circle 4: Books. Applications here are Bookwyrm. Circle 5: Writing. Applications here are Write Freely, Plume and Micro.blog. Circle 6: Events. Services here are Mobilizon and Bonfire. Bonfire also sits within the networking circle as these circles overlap.

The many branches of the Fediverse

As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
Per Axbom (axbom.com)
Sly-Little-Fox(xo)
Wow, I only knew Pleroma/Akkoma, Misskey/Foundkey, Mastodon/glitch-soc, GNU Social, Funkwhale, PeerTube, PixelFed, WriteFreely
anubis2814
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzgsBSEiEgLhZhPVugd9vlnc4-4i4Oerc Here's a better understanding of the greater fediverse with 3 2-minute videos. You may not be a newby but this is a good explainer for newby's. I personally prefer friendica because I can interact with all the fediverse including diaspora where the G+ refugees went to, as well as the fact that I can filter twitter through it and purge out all the garbage.

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Per Axbom
You commented with the exact same text on another post of mine 6 hours ago. Do you have an automated reply tool or are you just copy-pasting the same text on multiple posts?

https://friendica.myportal.social/display/e65e1095-2763-6266-2c83-013474224847

anubis2814

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzgsBSEiEgLhZhPVugd9vlnc4-4i4Oerc Here's a better understanding of the greater fediverse with 3 2-minute videos. You may n...
friendica.myportal.social
anubis2814
Copy paste, I had the hardest time figuring this stuff out so I figured I'd share the info considering the "marketing" and education for these platforms has a budget of zero. Sorry for spamming ya, with so many confused newbies on here trying to help clear some basic things up so they can understand it all.
Adamas Nemesis
Our software is awesome, and the best part of all? There's still *massive* room for improvement. We could rule the world!
Bill Ricker
Lovely picture, thank you ! Our local FLOSS for Senior Citizens group is meeting tomorrow and i have to explain how Mastodon isn't the whole Fediverse, this is perfect !
Per Axbom
Excellent to hear! Thanks for the feedback.
Elliott
awesome! Thanks!
Geo Stokes
this is awesome! Thanks for sharing 💪
Bruh🛡️
Thank you for making this🥰
OnlyFeatures
Does that mean I can federate into one of these other applications with my identity from here?
nancy
It seems like the fediverse is a lot of what Blockchain promised to be.
jamie hill 🏴‍☠️
this is so cool. it feels like the internet felt in the nineties.
Parents For Future :verified:
Thanks, @axbom, helpful!

https://axbom.com/fediverse/

The many branches of the Fediverse

As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
Per Axbom (axbom.com)
@Per Axbom
Robert W. Gehl
I'm going to put this on a slide for #aoir2022 right now!
#AoIR2022
Per Axbom
I'm just updating it within an hour. Keep an eye out :)
Robert W. Gehl
heh, too late! But will get the new version for the next talk. Really helpful illustration!
Per Axbom
Oh well done. Already used in a talk. I'm impressed 😅
Tobias
Nice work @Per Axbom :) but Diaspora*--sadly--does not support the ActivityPub protocol. Otherwise I love the representation of the tree!
@Per Axbom
John
But it _can_ federate with things like Friendica and Hubzilla. Still in the broader fediverse, IMO, even if it's a degree separated.
🐍 Lex 🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️
this is awesome, thank you!

What, if anything, is the advantage of having accounts on multiple (micro)blog sides like mastodon? I get the purpose of the separate video, music and photo ones, but many of these look at first glance like alternatives to mastodon. Is that the case and it’s just user’s choice/where someone feels most comfortable?
Per Axbom
Yes I would say it's more often a user preference. They have different interfaces, features and integrations. I understand Friendica for example has a Twitter add-on, and supports the diaspora protocol.
MargoB
Cool! Thanks for sharing :)
Hendrik Erz
nice little overview, thanks! But what does Nextcloud have to do with it …?
Hans Gerwitz
I love Micro.blog, but do they belong here? Indieweb is sadly not fediverse, etc.
Per Axbom
It's a fair question. I explained a bit more on the page itself. Fediverse doesn't really exclude commercial actors?

I also think it would be fair to add Wordpress. What would be your take on that?
Hans Gerwitz
I *assume* there's an ActivityPub plugin for Wordpress, but that's way outside my lane
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
Good question.

If, for example, Twitter and Facebook implements ActivityPub, it is up to the server admins to decide if they will block them or not.

But, as ActivityPub is a protocol (and a webstandard), no one can truly exclude anyone from the Fediverse.

The best (or worse?) that can happen is a particular platform/software includes a block by default, so when all other servers update, they will acquire that block. (It will definitely cause a lot of heated discussions too.)
Per Axbom
I have version 1.1 of "The many branches of the Fediverse" ready for you. 😄

Thank you to everyone who pitched in with suggestions of improvement (all visible in the thread).

You can download PNG and PDF versions on my blog post, which also has a bit more info and links to the applications.

Download for free and use as you please. Preferably to spread the word about the benefits of federated publishing and local instances. 😊

https://axbom.com/fediverse/

#FediTips
A tree-like visual where the tree grows from a green platform labeled “ActivityPub + more”. ActivityPub is a protocol for communicating between different applications in the Fediverse. The trunk of the tree is labeled Fediverse, to indicate that all the applications within the tree crown are part of the Fediverse. The crown is made up of circles that all intersect with each other. Circle 1: Multimedia (streaming, video, photos, images, files) Applications here are Downcast, PeerTube, Pixelfed and Nextcloud. Circe 2: Networking. Applications here are Friendica, Mastodon, Misskey, Pleroma, Diaspora, GnuSocial, Hubzilla, Socialhome and Lemmy. Circle 3: Music. Applications here are Funkwhale. Circle 4: Books. Applications here are Bookwyrm. Circle 5: Writing. Applications here are Write Freely, Plume and Wordpress (via plugins). Circle 6: Events. Services here are Mobilizon and Bonfire. Bonfire also sits within the networking circle as these circles overlap. Also growing out of the trunk is a separate branch with a circle for “Paid services”. Applications here are micro.blog and write.as Off to the right are two small trees, one with its roots in the diaspora protocol and the other in the OStatus protocol. The two applications Hubzilla and Friendica both connect with these two trees using dotted lines. Diaspora is also its own application within its own protocol.

The many branches of the Fediverse

As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
Per Axbom (axbom.com)
Erik Kemp 🇪🇺
Great! Is the Drupal plugin interesting to add? https://www.drupal.org/project/activitypub

ActivityPub

Implements the ActivityPub protocol for your site. Readers will be able to follow content on Mastodon and other federated platforms that support ActivityPub. Responses are possible too (Reply, Like, Announce) with more to come.
Drupal.org
Per Axbom
Thanks. Will collect all these in a list for the next version.

I was big on Drupal many years ago. Amazed at how many projects I'm rediscovering.
HongPong
the "indieweb" #drupal module is very versatile. i helped out a very tiny bit on something related #indieweb
https://www.drupal.org/project/indieweb

IndieWeb

Integrates the philosophy of IndieWeb in your Drupal website. For more information, see https://indieweb.org/. Available features Receive webmentions and pingbacks via Webmention.
Drupal.org
#indieweb #drupal
Erik Kemp 🇪🇺
I usually also point people to Wikipedia which has a nice list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse?wprov=sfla1

Another extensive list: https://delightful.club/delightful-activitypub-development/

delightful activitypub development

Delightful curated lists of free software, open science and information sources.
delightful.club
Per Axbom
Yeah, I link to the Wikipedia page from the post. My intent is not to have the tree be complete in its coverage, but complete enough to have interesting conversations around it, and use it as a tool for explanation.
Per Axbom
Someone added my diagram to that Wikipedia page! 😊
Erik Kemp 🇪🇺
Lovely! :) I enjoyed reading your thread with @rysiek about licensing too. Thanks again for spending time on designing your wonderful graphic! It makes it easier for us to explain to people that they may think they are just switching from one platform to another, but that they are actually taking a peek into a very different noncommercial ecosystem of interoperable open source platforms designed for wellbeing and connectedness instead of profit :)
@Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Oblomov
So, no chance of it becoming an imagemap, or an SVG with hyperlinks to the various platforms? ;-)
Per Axbom
Maybe in some future. I spent soooo many hours on this diagram this past week. 😅

But I guess you could achieve this with the PDF.

@erikkemp
@Erik Kemp 🇪🇺
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
wonderful! Thank you for your work on this.

However... would you be open to a conversation about the license?

I've done some copyright trainings in the past, and based on my and others' experience I believe that -NC is problematic. And that for most people and works, -SA would be more effective in achieving what they are often trying to achieve through -NC.
Per Axbom
definitely open to that conversation! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Honestly I was probably a bit too quick when typing that license on the image. I usually have SA I realised!

But I also usually have NC in combination with this. You would suggest not having NC at all? My though when adding this for my blogs is to avoid people making books to sell with my content.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
right. Thank you for being open to this. Also, I want to very clearly recognize this is of course your art and your decision, and I have no business telling you how to license things! I hope that's obvious, but I feel it needs to be said. :blobuwu:

The problem with NC is that it is vague and undefined. For example: can Wikipedia use an NC-licensed work? Wikipedia is supported by donations, and one *could* argue their use is therefore "commercial" in some sense. So Wikipedia avoids NC.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
but can I use your NC work on my blog? I blog for fun, and have no money in the game, so this sounds safe. But I also use my blog to promote myself, and sometimes I might get hired to do something based on the contents of it. Is that "commercial"? I don't know.

Imagine an NGO that got grant money to promote the Fediverse. Can they use your fantastic work (with attribution, of course!)? NC does not make it clear, and if I were running that project, I would probably decide not to risk it.
Per Axbom
Valid points. My take was always that it's about the artefact itself. So okay to showcase in commercial settings but not to sell on its own as the reason for charging money. But I see where it can make people hesitate. I'll have a think about it.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
right. So that's the biggest downside for me. NC makes the work risky to use, and thus it will not be used by projects and in contexts that you might presumably want the work to be used in.

SA solves this better in some ways. For example, no Big Corp would ever take an SA-licensed work and use it in an ad campaign or a product, film, etc, because they would have to release the whole thing under SA. Not gonna happen.

I totally get your "I don't want people to make books with my content"…
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
…but the way I see it (and I do have an SA-licensed blog), if somebody finds a way to monetize my SA-licensed content before I do, good on them!

And there is a reasonable chance they will pay me anyway, so that I produce more of new juicy content for them to publish.

That's obviously a very personal take, but I think it's worth considering.
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
The owner of a work can dual-licensed their original work; or give a separate license for another entity or individual; as long as the license of the original work is retained.

Say a school wants to get a license to include the Fediverse Tree in their text-book, they can close a deal. The original NC licensed work is retained; and only this school, granted with a separate license, can print it for commercial purposes.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
yes, as has already been noted elsewhere in this thread, CC licenses are non-exclusive.

But that's *still* plenty friction and potential risk for whoever wants to use the work.

Instead of just using the work to teach the kids, the teacher must now *first* reach out to the author and receive a specific license. They also must *know* this is an option. They also must know how to do get in touch with the author. They also must wait for the response (unclear how long).

@axbom
@Per Axbom
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
Correct. But that's how #Copyright works. We really have to know these things (which, unfortunately, is not taught in schools); and have to wait.

The best re-users can do is to ask for permission/license (if the license isn't clear). As long as Copyright laws exist, it is unavoidable. It's not ideal.

I have CCBYSA and PD/CC0 works. But I also release a few under ND and NC. Some "All Rights Reserved" (usually photography) for stock sites selling (they don't like CC).
#copyright
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
> But that's how #Copyright works. We really have to know these things (which, unfortunately, is not taught in schools); and have to wait.

My whole point is that in a lot of cases, demanding this kind of knowledge and patience of people who might want to use one's work (say, by using -NC) is unreasonable, and actually goes *against* what the author actually wants to achieve with that license.

And that -SA largely avoids that.

@axbom
#copyright @Per Axbom
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♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
Ahh, I think that's where we differ in how we see it.

Whenever I use NC and/or ND, as the creator, my intention was to protect my work.

If my intention is to have it distributed and re-used as wide as possible, then I use SA or PD.

For example, in my country, Copyright infringement is sadly a thing, even in the corporate world. I prefer to protect some of my work first before I worry about how many would reuse it.

Ironically, for SA/PD works, those are the ones I get requests.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
> in my country, Copyright infringement is sadly a thing, even in the corporate world. I prefer to protect some of my work first before I worry about how many would reuse it.

I find it interesting that you acknowledge that copyright infringement is wide-spread ("even in the corporate world"), and then conclude you will protect your work by using NC or ND. I think it's safe to assume copyright infringers will ignore these terms just like they ignore other licensing terms.

@axbom
@Per Axbom
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
> and then conclude you will protect your work by using NC or ND. I think it's safe to assume copyright infringers will ignore these terms just like they ignore other licensing terms.

And that's where the license comes in, protection. They can freely re-share, re-distribute, as long as it is NC. In the case of ND, as long as it is not a derivative. Compared to “All Rights Reserved”, I'm practically saying, “no, you can not re-share, re-distribute, no matter what”.

@axbom
@Per Axbom
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
wait, either I am reading this wrong, or that does not make any sense.

> Compared to “All Rights Reserved”, I'm practically saying, “no, you can not re-share, re-distribute, no matter what”.

"All rights reserved" is *by definition* more strict than any CC license, even CC By NC ND. Are you saying that with NC or ND you "protect" your work more than if you released it under "All rights reserved"?

@axbom
@Per Axbom
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
(1/n) No, no. It is about being able to grant the Right to share and re-distribute the work without granting the Right to use it for commercial purposes or to create a derivative work.

All Rights Reserved = you can't do all of it.

NC = you can re-share / re-distribute except for commercial purposes.

ND = you can re-share / re-distribute except for creating a derivative.

NC or ND gives you more protection than Copyleft CC-licenses.

@axbom
@Per Axbom
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
right, okay, thanks for clarifying. I thought I am losing my mind. 😉
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
(2/n) Example, personal photos. I use ND for photos of myself (that I took, of course), so give a stronger legal ground if someone misused it, while at the same time those with legitimate purposes doesn't have to bother me with permissions.

In many Asian countries, we don't have a "Fair Use" policy as is known in the US. Some have something similar which no one tested, some just doesn't have anything.

@axbom
@Per Axbom
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
(3/3) We do have to ask for permission when using someone else's photo of themselves. Otherwise, they're opening themselves up for legal trouble.

By using, for example, ND, they don't have to ask me for permission, and at the same time, I also give them the guarantee I will not go after them… as long as it is not a derivative.

@axbom
@Per Axbom
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
yes, that's understood.

The problem with ND is: there's a bunch of copyright exceptions that make ND moot in a lot of cases. I will still be able to use your photos in a parody, for example.

More importantly, people who you *really* want to stop from "modifying" your work (or, well, creating derivatives), will almost certainly just ignore the license anyway.

So my next question is: what *exactly* are you trying to protect your work from, by using ND?

@axbom
@Per Axbom
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
(1/2) It's true, they will ignore the license anyway, but if they do, since I released it as ND, I can go after them.

I'll use an example for the other question. I know someone who used to support CC, that he released all his photos under CC-BY-SA.

One day, someone re-used his photo (photo of photographer/himself) and created all derivatives that may, or may not, suggest sexual innuendo.
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
(2/3) IIRC, his attorney advised not to sue because the way the derivates were made can be interpreted in various ways, not to mention the license was CC-BY-SA. It was also not easy to prove that it was an attack.

In the end, this person denounced all CC licenses because of this experience. Not just for his photos, but also for his other works. A lot of people using CC licenses back then, also did the same. Only few CC / Free Culture supporters remained.
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
(3/3) While yes, photos of people used in a way that is demeaning to them or implies they're endorsing a product, may be a violation, it is untested in courts (at least locally).

So, for me, at least in local context, it's better to restrict it to ND for that extra legal basis if something similar happens to me.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
ah, that's fair. I think the crucial thing here is the fact that the photographer themselves (or people close to them) were on these photos. I can see how ND-as-an-insurance-policy-against-that-kind-of-abuse *can* make some sense.

That's a very specific, limited scope. But it's an important one nonetheless.

I kinda feel this is something that privacy-related laws should handle, but we're obviously not there yet. :blobthinking:

Thanks for the food for thought!
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
Yep. And when it comes to privacy, many politicians are only paying a lip service. Or, new laws that doesn't do much at all.

Still a long way to go. Though I think the EU is leaps ahead?

It's also sad that when it comes to court cases, it's either there was precedent already (and it's in your favor), or, you have the money and time to spend.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
EU is doing somewhat okay, but also there are some really crappy proposals (check out #Chatcontrol).

Agreed on the court cases. Privacy should not only be available to the rich.
#chatcontrol
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
It's an interesting view. I haven't looked at NC as something that can be 'against' the purpose of the creator.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
unintended consequences are real, copyright law is complicated, intentions often do not match the outcome.

This is particularly stark with ND. I honestly believe there is zero reason to use it, ever:
https://rys.io/en/101.html

It's basically completely ineffective in what people using it think it achieves.

It's a bit less stark with NC, but it's still there, mainly due to the ambiguity of "non-commercial". Everyone understands this term differently.

@axbom

Why I find -ND unnecessary and harmful

’UPDATE: highlighted the harmfulness of incompatibility of “no derivatives” licenses with libre licenses (including other CC-licenses); heartfelt thanks to Carlos Solís for the Spanish translation. ¡G
Songs on the Security of Networks
@Per Axbom
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
Great article. ND is the less used of CC licenses. I only use it for specific cases, like I mentioned earlier, photos of me. And yes, I did come across uses of ND that did not make sense, at least as far as the author's “explanation” or purpose is concerned.

@axbom
@Per Axbom
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
thanks!

And just to be clear, I am not trying to convince you to stop using ND on your photos. It's none of my business and it's obviously only your decision.

Just enjoying our conversation, trying to understand how and why people use NC and ND.

@axbom
@Per Axbom
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
> Just enjoying our conversation, trying to understand how and why people use NC and ND.

No worries. I enjoy the exchange too. This type of discourse is rare in Twitter and Facebook, you usually end up with trolls and people who are easily offended.

^_^

@axbom
@Per Axbom
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
haha, makes sense! My experience here (over the last ~5y) has been pretty great in that department. People don't seem to be easily offended (most of the time, there are always outliers), and are in for a conversation, not for a shouting match.

Best social network money can't buy.

@axbom
@Per Axbom
Mark Harris
If they don't know how copyright works, why do you expect them to know how CC works. Surely, they have to put the effort in to find out either. I don't believe non-commercial is problematic if people put the work in to understand what they are doing.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
> If they don't know how copyright works, why do you expect them to know how CC works.

I don't. CC By-SA makes very few demands on the person using a particular piece. A tiny bit more than CC By, granted, but it is still leaps and bounds clearer and easier to figure out than NC.

It also creates way fewer situations where somebody might need to contact the author and ask for a separate license. While offering meaningful protection from corporate appropriation.

@youronlyone @axbom
@♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣 @Per Axbom
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@Rysiekúr Memesson 🇺🇦 @Per Axbom Does SA apply to the whole work? I'll have to read it again (or listen to myself read it 😃).

I've always had the impression that it binds more like a weak copyleft and that media content in general is treated more like e.g. a film or a book with pictures is an aggregation of things that go into it.
@Per Axbom @Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
Per Axbom
In this particular case I'm also truly myself of the conviction that people can use it when consulting, to show the concept of the Fediverse. Just not print and sell copies of it.

Thinking like that it makes sense to drop the NC :)
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
right? 🙂

Plus, some people *will* print and sell it anyway, regardless of the license. These people will just ignore the terms anyway, be it NC or SA or whatever else.

Finally, all CC licenses allow you to be very clear how the attribution needs to look. You can be very specific about how it needs to be placed, etc, on a printed rendition, for example. Perhaps that's a way to deal with that issue as well, while switching to SA:
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode#s3a
Agarwaën
Remember an author retains the right to change the licence s/he has put her/his work under. Even with an -nc licence, the NGO of your example can still contact the author to get an explicit authorization to use her/his work and create derivate works.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
absolutely, all of these licenses are non-exclusive.

That said, that *is* another step to take, and there *is* a (perceived) chance the author says "no". So it *is* a risk, still.
malte
finding the author's contact, writing them, and then *waiting for the answer* is prohibitive in many, especially precarious/non-profit creative processes.

*could* i have asked xkcd to drop the nc from their battery-horse-staple comic to include it in some educational material that was printed and given away for donations? _very_ theoretically 😅😅😅
malte
on the other hand *no one* took my excellent cc-zero or cc-by-sa materials to extract the maximum profit, which is a little bit insulting to be quite honest 😑
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
A tricky one. IIRC, Creative Commons itself consider "commercial" as referring to selling the work by itself; or if in a collection, part of the price includes said work. (If the work is part of a collection but the price does not include the NC work, it's fine too… but tricky to prove.)

Websites, blogs, which contain advertisements, are not considered "commercial". Although there are entities and individuals who do.

Best would be to ask, like you did.

Again, iirc. ^_^
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
yeah, that's precisely my point: it is unclear, and the assumptions of the author and whoever is considering to use the work will almost certainly not match 100%.

@axbom
@Per Axbom
MMS21 :blinkot:
Am I blind or is soapbox missing?
Mina
akkoma seems to be vital Pleroma fork, tho it's not fully renamed yet
Per Axbom
Thanks I added a mention of it in the blog post.
Heidi Li Feldman
Hello and thanks for the visual. You might want to take out Plume bc on their site they say they are no longer active maintaining it and referring people to other sites.
Per Axbom
Thank you Heidi!
Steve Foerster 🇩🇲
I want this on a t-shirt!
Per Axbom
Hehe, you and me both.
Olivier Azeau
Where is @matrix ?
@Matrix.org
Per Axbom
I feel there is a balance here where I do not want to confuse people with too many protocols, but yes, Matrix should ideally deserve its own tree. I have another iteration planned for tomorrow. I’ll see if it makes the cut.

Thanks :)
♾️ 스노 (雪亮 Yuki) 🔏 🦣
Matrix is not connected to the Fediverse (ActivityPub), it is on its own network/protocol.

A separate tree is more fitting.

Would be cool to see a Matrix tree, it's so hard to keep track of which services federated with Matrix -- and how much federation was implemented (one way; two way; account creation). Server blocks/bans are also frequent. (LIke the flagship server, other servers blocked it.)
Debbie Goldsmith 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈
Still under development, so I don’t know if you want to include it yet: https://mstdn.social/@Goldfish/108597423744095297 I’m not affiliated in any way.

Goldfish (@Goldfish@mstdn.social)

#Goldfish is a brand new project created by @stux as a FOSS replacement for platforms like TikTok & Vine. Development has started a few days ago and the first rought draft is online at https://goldfish.
Mastodon 🐘
HelloMiakoda
so can Mastodon talk to NextCloud?
If so, what can I do with that?
How is PixelFed different than Mastodon? I'm a computer nerd and kinda embarrassed I havent fully grasped the fediverse.
As The World Turns
@HelloMiakoda

#Pixelfed is similar to #instagram for #photosharing of the fediverse, but pixelfed has many servers to pick from, like picking #email service provider.

Mastodon is one type of #microblooging services on the fediverse. It is similar to #twitter just without the #algorithm, ads, or tracking. Mastodon is not the fediverse, it is one of many microblogging/platforms of the fediverse.

I am also a #fedizen but I'm using a different microblogging service called #Friendica, still part of the #federated #universe or #decentralised #social #network. It's a little more like fb again without the #ads, #tracking. It's hooked into the fediverse as well. so we are all connected.

More info on Pixelfed
https://fedidb.org/software/pixelfed

Some service providers (instances)
https://pixelfed.social
https://pixelfed.de
https://pixelfed.fr
https://pixelfed.fi

For #videos, check out #Peertube
https://joinpeertube.org

More about the fediverse and its offerings. Check out https://fediverse.party

@Per Axbom
#friendica #email #pixelfed #Peertube #social #instagram #twitter #universe #tracking #videos #ads #network #algorithm #decentralised #federated #fedizen #photoSharing #microblooging @HelloMiakoda @Per Axbom
As The World Turns
@HelloMiakoda

I believe #Nextcloud has a client/app to hook into the fediverse. I read some news about that a few days ago.

@Per Axbom
#NextCloud @HelloMiakoda @Per Axbom
a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
@As The World Turns They released NextCloud Social already 4 years ago, but it was extremely limited and considered alpha quality.

Now they're saying it's 0.5.0-beta and they've said they want to make it release quality "later this year".

https://nextcloud.com/blog/no-need-to-trust-musk-we-go-federated-with-nextcloud-social/

/via https://social.xbm.se/@axbom/109285341954406401

@HelloMiakoda @Per Axbom
@HelloMiakoda @As The World Turns @Per Axbom
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Ji Fu
@HelloMiakoda I don't think NextCloud supports #ActivityPub which #Mastodon would need to use for such communication. I would recommend verifying that by following the NextCloud #Friendica forum @Nextcloud User Forum
#friendica #mastodon #ActivityPub @Nextcloud User Forum @HelloMiakoda
Arco
maybe @Castopod could be added?
@Castopod :oss: :podcasting2:
Per Axbom
It is part of version 1.2 now. Thanks. It was embarassing to have missed that the first time around. As a podcaster I have been following Castopod development.

@Castopod
@Castopod :oss: :podcasting2:
Ale Munin
Surprised I didn't know most of them, this will keep me busy.

Recommend me starting where?
Daniel Schildt
Another visualization of Fediverse from January 2020: https://monoskop.org/images/c/cc/Fediposter_Jan_2020.png

Not fully sure of the original author though. :(
Per Axbom
Thanks. That’s a good one for me to look at, but would feel very daunting for newbies I think 😁
Daniel Schildt
For sure, but that diagram is more clear that most Wikipedia articles about the history of these services...
Per Axbom
It's Friday and version 1.2 of "The many branches of the Fediverse" is published. Thanks everyone for your interest and engagement.

There is a changelog at the bottom of the post with more info, and you are welcome to download hi-res PNG and PDF versions of the diagram.

Do feel free to use this visual in any way you like, in your presentations, publish in your own spaces, etceteras. I'm just glad if you find it useful.

https://axbom.com/fediverse/

#FediTips
A tree-like visual where the tree grows from a green platform labeled “ActivityPub”. The trunk of the tree is labeled "Fediverse", to indicate that all the applications within the tree crown are part of the Fediverse. The crown is made up of circles that all intersect with each other. Circle 1: Multimedia (streaming, video, photos, images, files) Applications here are Downcast, PeerTube, Pixelfed, Castopod and Nextcloud. Circe 2: Networking. Applications here are Friendica, Mastodon, Misskey, Pleroma, Diaspora, GnuSocial, Hubzilla, Socialhome, kbin and Lemmy. Circle 3: Music. Applications here are Funkwhale. Circle 4: Books. Applications here are Bookwyrm. Circle 5: Writing. Applications here are Write Freely, Drupal (via plugins) and Wordpress (via plugins). Circle 6: Events. Services here are Mobilizon and Bonfire. Bonfire also sits within the networking circle as these circles overlap. Also growing out of the trunk is a separate branch with a circle for “Paid services”. Applications here are micro.blog and write.as Off to the right are two small trees, one with its roots in the diaspora protocol and the other in the OStatus protocol. The two applications Hubzilla and Friendica both connect with these two trees using dotted lines. Socialhome also connects to Diaspora. Diaspora is also its own application within its own protocol. Off to the left is another small tree, with its roots in the Matrix protocol. Matrix is also its own application within its own protocol.

The many branches of the Fediverse

As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
Per Axbom (axbom.com)
Jack :arch: :vim: :suckless:
Why is nextcloud on here? It''s not federated, right
Per Axbom
In the Q&A on the post is a link explaining why Nextcloud is on there.

You may want to read this announcement:

https://nextcloud.com/blog/no-need-to-trust-musk-we-go-federated-with-nextcloud-social/

Trust in Musk or go federated with Nextcloud Social! - Nextcloud

Nextcloud Social offers federated, trusted, big-tech-free social networking to tens of millions of users
Jos Poortvliet (Nextcloud)
sergio_101
now I need to check out #funkwhale
#funkwhale
Per Axbom
Remember you can talk to @funkwhale here as well.
@Funkwhale
sergio_101
I need to figure out what it is.
sergio_101
so, do i need to get a funkwhale account to share songs? is there some sort of mechanism to check that commercial tracks are not being shared?
Peter Merikan 🇸🇪
what do you think about the at-protocol, should it be on the list https://atproto.com/

The AT Protocol

A social networking technology created by Bluesky.
atproto.com
Per Axbom
I can join the waitlist and see if/when it becomes available 😉
Peter Merikan 🇸🇪
I did it a few days ago. I guess we'll have to wait and see 🤔
GunChleoc
Looks great 🙂

Friendica also has events, so you might want to swap that with Hubzilla and enlarge that bubble
Per Axbom
Ah, thank you, great idea!
a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
@GunChleoc @Per Axbom Does Hubzilla not have events? Were they added to Friendica after Hubzilla forked off?
@GunChleoc @Per Axbom
mike
Yes, they both have events. They also both have file/photo management. And they both are capable blogging (macro) platforms. Hubzilla and later projects support the DAV protocols so you can use them as cloud storage with integrated permissions. I've been disappointed at fediverse categorisation software which only permits assigning one category to a project, because everything I've created spills across several.
ZiviLunke
great job 👏🏻
Lisa L. Spangenberg
This was really helpful; thanks!
AxWax
Such a helpful chart - thanks for creating and sharing it!
Stefan
thank you for the nice Drawing of the #Fediverse and sharing it. 👍😀
#fediverse
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
oooh, you changed the license to CC By-SA! :blobheartcat:

Thank you, I really appreciate it.
Per Axbom
Thank you for bringing it to my attention. 😊 This feels much better.
Dr. Quadragon ❌
Plume in writing where
Per Axbom
I removed it intentionally as their page says it is no longer maintained and they are recommending other applications.

It is still mentioned on the blog post, with this information.
Alexey Skobkin
I've just put it into my video for newcomers and here you are 😆
peter kleiweg 🧩
How does scuttlebutt fit into the fediverse tree?
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Per Axbom
It’s a protocol, so I’ve added a mention of it on the blog post. Thanks.
Blort
Cool! Might be worth mentioning that Nextcloud is only with an extra installed app, much like Wordpress is via a plugin.
@aleks
@͞ᴀ̶ʟ͘ʟ͏ ̛ʜ͞ᴇ̡ᴄ͢ᴋ̨
Per Axbom
I didn’t want to have to redo it, as Nextcloud are adding this in the default installation before the end of the year.

https://nextcloud.com/blog/no-need-to-trust-musk-we-go-federated-with-nextcloud-social/

@aleks

Trust in Musk or go federated with Nextcloud Social! - Nextcloud

Nextcloud Social offers federated, trusted, big-tech-free social networking to tens of millions of users
Jos Poortvliet (Nextcloud)
@͞ᴀ̶ʟ͘ʟ͏ ̛ʜ͞ᴇ̡ᴄ͢ᴋ̨
handowl
why is there matrix protocol on this diagram?
Per Axbom
Hi, that is explained in the post. The Matrix protocol follows the principles of the Fediverse.
Arjan Boltjes
oh, that looks great! Do you plan to update the list of applications - in and not in the diagram - from time to time, or is the link to the Wikipedia page the simplest and final solution to being complete?

For the book part e.g. I noticed #inventaire (.io) missing.
#inventaire
Per Axbom
I have received so many ideas for development of the diagram I know it will be literally impossible to give a true representation of the Fediverse. But also, the Fediverse Wikipedia entry is only part of the truth. I have come across more protocols and applications than that page covers. Matrix, XMPP, Solid, for instance.

Someone added my diagram to the Wikipedia entry, so that’s still now a good source, though 😅
Arjan Boltjes
Fair enough. We'll leave it to the Wikipedia page and other sites to complete it then. Congrats on being featured on Wikipedia. 🥳
Luka Makes Computer Music
this is beautiful. thank you for your work!
Per Axbom
Thank you Luka 🙏
🏰Christophe S.❄IceEnchanter🦢
Tahnk you very much for having created this !

I love it <3

In case you are interested to know, the last evolution of what was Friendica, then Hubzilla is Streams : https://codeberg.org/streams/streams

(there were some in between, but Streams seems to be the current "last leaf of Zot protocols (with ActivityPub compatibility))

streams

Public domain federated communications server. Provides a feature rich ActivityPub and Nomad communication node.
Codeberg.org
Tony 📊
Oh wow! I didn't know there was literally a bigger world/universe connected with Mastodon! 🤯
Geku
# deepl

Es ist Freitag und Version 1.2 von "Die vielen Zweige des Fediversums" ist veröffentlicht. Vielen Dank an alle für euer Interesse und Engagement.

Es gibt ein Änderungsprotokoll am Ende des Beitrags mit weiteren Informationen, und Sie können gerne hochauflösende PNG- und PDF-Versionen des Diagramms herunterladen.

Ihr könnt das Diagramm gerne in euren Präsentationen verwenden, in euren eigenen Bereichen veröffentlichen, usw. Ich freue mich einfach, wenn Sie es nützlich finden.
CEbbinghaus
absolutely love this. Been looking for a self hosted music platform for a while so thank you so much for showing me funkwhale
a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
@Per Axbom Does OwnCast federate already?! Awesome if true.
@Per Axbom
JP ✅
Why is Matrix it's own tree?
a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
@Jp @Per Axbom Software running Matrix doesn't communicate with software in the ActivityPub tree.
@Per Axbom @JP ✅
Ben
i peaked through the alt-text and wow! i'm amazed! that's super descriptive :star_eyes:
a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
@Per Axbom This is so great! Love the little trees.

The next little tree could be the XMPP Microblogging tree, with Libervia and Movim in it.

It is about to become more relevant, as @Goffi is actively working on a bridge between XMPP Microblogging and ActivityPub, effectively bringing Libervia and Movim into the Fediverse.

https://www.goffi.org/b/activitypub-gateway-and-pubsub-e2ee-QGqK
@Goffi @Per Axbom

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Per Axbom
Thank you Claes, I’ve added that to the backlog at the bottom of the page now :)

@Goffi
@Goffi
a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
@Per Axbom Ah, haha, you added them on my prompting? You're quick. =)
@Per Axbom
Goffi
hey indeed #XMPP should be in the diagram, the gateway is functional even if not stable yet. I've started a blog post about it that I should publish early next week.

It can already be put in `write freely`, `networking` and `events` sections, and probably other will come in future.

#activitypub #fediverse
#fediverse #XMPP #ActivityPub
a Claes unto himself 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛
@Per Axbom Ah, actually you mention the XMPP Microblogging applications in the article.

I agree that XMPP and all its flavors and applications would be a huge tree, but the narrower XMPP Microblogging would fit as a small tree.
@Per Axbom
Steve Sawczyn
I absolutely love this and can't thank you enough for providing such an awesome description. If possible, wondering if you can put that description somewhere in the post? I just don't want to lose it if I use the image and since I'm using an iOS client here, not sure how best to extract the alt.
Per Axbom
Thank you Steve. That is a good point. I was disappointed by the limit on characters in ALT-texts on my Ghost blog, but I can absolutely add it inside the post somehow.

I’ve worked with digital accessibility since the early 2000s. Making my content accessible is important to me, so thank you for reaching out.

I will let you know as soon as I’ve added it.
Per Axbom
Hi again Steve,

I’ve now added the full text of the image description at the bottom of the post.

It’s also linked in the image tagline.

https://axbom.com/fediverse/#longdesc

The many branches of the Fediverse

As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
Per Axbom (axbom.com)
Steve Sawczyn
Awesome, thank you so much. :)
Steve Sawczyn
@axbom You are awesome for doing this, just wanted to thank you again. :)
Per Axbom
Stepping in for a sec from my weekend tech break.

Thank you for all the support and interest around my diagram. I also see lots of questions.

A heads up that most questions are answered if you click through and read the linked blog post.

Happy to answer q’s that are not answered in the blog post, and I’ll start on that on Monday. But no need to wait on that if you can find the answer in the blog post 😉

Thanks also to everyone helping me out with clarifications.

https://axbom.com/fediverse/

The many branches of the Fediverse

As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
Per Axbom (axbom.com)

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Voradams :verified:
a different question. I saw that the Linode install guide uses docker. Does that mean that if needed people can upgrade the hardware just by installing the container it?
Andrés
Is it worth mentioning the branches that maybe ate no longer bearing fruit? I remember o-status and identi.ca. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/OStatus

open microblogging protocol

Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)