As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLzgsBSEiEgLhZhPVugd9vlnc4-4i4Oerc Here's a better understanding of the greater fediverse with 3 2-minute videos. You may not be a newby but this is a good explainer for newby's. I personally prefer friendica because I can interact with all the fediverse including diaspora where the G+ refugees went to, as well as the fact that I can filter twitter through it and purge out all the garbage.
You commented with the exact same text on another post of mine 6 hours ago. Do you have an automated reply tool or are you just copy-pasting the same text on multiple posts?
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Copy paste, I had the hardest time figuring this stuff out so I figured I'd share the info considering the "marketing" and education for these platforms has a budget of zero. Sorry for spamming ya, with so many confused newbies on here trying to help clear some basic things up so they can understand it all.
Lovely picture, thank you ! Our local FLOSS for Senior Citizens group is meeting tomorrow and i have to explain how Mastodon isn't the whole Fediverse, this is perfect !
As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
What, if anything, is the advantage of having accounts on multiple (micro)blog sides like mastodon? I get the purpose of the separate video, music and photo ones, but many of these look at first glance like alternatives to mastodon. Is that the case and it’s just user’s choice/where someone feels most comfortable?
Yes I would say it's more often a user preference. They have different interfaces, features and integrations. I understand Friendica for example has a Twitter add-on, and supports the diaspora protocol.
If, for example, Twitter and Facebook implements ActivityPub, it is up to the server admins to decide if they will block them or not.
But, as ActivityPub is a protocol (and a webstandard), no one can truly exclude anyone from the Fediverse.
The best (or worse?) that can happen is a particular platform/software includes a block by default, so when all other servers update, they will acquire that block. (It will definitely cause a lot of heated discussions too.)
As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
Implements the ActivityPub protocol for your site. Readers will be able to follow content on Mastodon and other federated platforms that support ActivityPub. Responses are possible too (Reply, Like, Announce) with more to come.
Integrates the philosophy of IndieWeb in your Drupal website. For more information, see https://indieweb.org/. Available features Receive webmentions and pingbacks via Webmention.
Yeah, I link to the Wikipedia page from the post. My intent is not to have the tree be complete in its coverage, but complete enough to have interesting conversations around it, and use it as a tool for explanation.
Lovely! :) I enjoyed reading your thread with @rysiek about licensing too. Thanks again for spending time on designing your wonderful graphic! It makes it easier for us to explain to people that they may think they are just switching from one platform to another, but that they are actually taking a peek into a very different noncommercial ecosystem of interoperable open source platforms designed for wellbeing and connectedness instead of profit :)
However... would you be open to a conversation about the license?
I've done some copyright trainings in the past, and based on my and others' experience I believe that -NC is problematic. And that for most people and works, -SA would be more effective in achieving what they are often trying to achieve through -NC.
definitely open to that conversation! Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Honestly I was probably a bit too quick when typing that license on the image. I usually have SA I realised!
But I also usually have NC in combination with this. You would suggest not having NC at all? My though when adding this for my blogs is to avoid people making books to sell with my content.
right. Thank you for being open to this. Also, I want to very clearly recognize this is of course your art and your decision, and I have no business telling you how to license things! I hope that's obvious, but I feel it needs to be said.
The problem with NC is that it is vague and undefined. For example: can Wikipedia use an NC-licensed work? Wikipedia is supported by donations, and one *could* argue their use is therefore "commercial" in some sense. So Wikipedia avoids NC.
but can I use your NC work on my blog? I blog for fun, and have no money in the game, so this sounds safe. But I also use my blog to promote myself, and sometimes I might get hired to do something based on the contents of it. Is that "commercial"? I don't know.
Imagine an NGO that got grant money to promote the Fediverse. Can they use your fantastic work (with attribution, of course!)? NC does not make it clear, and if I were running that project, I would probably decide not to risk it.
Valid points. My take was always that it's about the artefact itself. So okay to showcase in commercial settings but not to sell on its own as the reason for charging money. But I see where it can make people hesitate. I'll have a think about it.
right. So that's the biggest downside for me. NC makes the work risky to use, and thus it will not be used by projects and in contexts that you might presumably want the work to be used in.
SA solves this better in some ways. For example, no Big Corp would ever take an SA-licensed work and use it in an ad campaign or a product, film, etc, because they would have to release the whole thing under SA. Not gonna happen.
I totally get your "I don't want people to make books with my content"…
The owner of a work can dual-licensed their original work; or give a separate license for another entity or individual; as long as the license of the original work is retained.
Say a school wants to get a license to include the Fediverse Tree in their text-book, they can close a deal. The original NC licensed work is retained; and only this school, granted with a separate license, can print it for commercial purposes.
yes, as has already been noted elsewhere in this thread, CC licenses are non-exclusive.
But that's *still* plenty friction and potential risk for whoever wants to use the work.
Instead of just using the work to teach the kids, the teacher must now *first* reach out to the author and receive a specific license. They also must *know* this is an option. They also must know how to do get in touch with the author. They also must wait for the response (unclear how long).
Correct. But that's how #Copyright works. We really have to know these things (which, unfortunately, is not taught in schools); and have to wait.
The best re-users can do is to ask for permission/license (if the license isn't clear). As long as Copyright laws exist, it is unavoidable. It's not ideal.
I have CCBYSA and PD/CC0 works. But I also release a few under ND and NC. Some "All Rights Reserved" (usually photography) for stock sites selling (they don't like CC).
> But that's how #Copyright works. We really have to know these things (which, unfortunately, is not taught in schools); and have to wait.
My whole point is that in a lot of cases, demanding this kind of knowledge and patience of people who might want to use one's work (say, by using -NC) is unreasonable, and actually goes *against* what the author actually wants to achieve with that license.
Ahh, I think that's where we differ in how we see it.
Whenever I use NC and/or ND, as the creator, my intention was to protect my work.
If my intention is to have it distributed and re-used as wide as possible, then I use SA or PD.
For example, in my country, Copyright infringement is sadly a thing, even in the corporate world. I prefer to protect some of my work first before I worry about how many would reuse it.
Ironically, for SA/PD works, those are the ones I get requests.
> in my country, Copyright infringement is sadly a thing, even in the corporate world. I prefer to protect some of my work first before I worry about how many would reuse it.
I find it interesting that you acknowledge that copyright infringement is wide-spread ("even in the corporate world"), and then conclude you will protect your work by using NC or ND. I think it's safe to assume copyright infringers will ignore these terms just like they ignore other licensing terms.
> and then conclude you will protect your work by using NC or ND. I think it's safe to assume copyright infringers will ignore these terms just like they ignore other licensing terms.
And that's where the license comes in, protection. They can freely re-share, re-distribute, as long as it is NC. In the case of ND, as long as it is not a derivative. Compared to “All Rights Reserved”, I'm practically saying, “no, you can not re-share, re-distribute, no matter what”.
wait, either I am reading this wrong, or that does not make any sense.
> Compared to “All Rights Reserved”, I'm practically saying, “no, you can not re-share, re-distribute, no matter what”.
"All rights reserved" is *by definition* more strict than any CC license, even CC By NC ND. Are you saying that with NC or ND you "protect" your work more than if you released it under "All rights reserved"?
(1/n) No, no. It is about being able to grant the Right to share and re-distribute the work without granting the Right to use it for commercial purposes or to create a derivative work.
All Rights Reserved = you can't do all of it.
NC = you can re-share / re-distribute except for commercial purposes.
ND = you can re-share / re-distribute except for creating a derivative.
NC or ND gives you more protection than Copyleft CC-licenses.
(2/n) Example, personal photos. I use ND for photos of myself (that I took, of course), so give a stronger legal ground if someone misused it, while at the same time those with legitimate purposes doesn't have to bother me with permissions.
In many Asian countries, we don't have a "Fair Use" policy as is known in the US. Some have something similar which no one tested, some just doesn't have anything.
(3/3) We do have to ask for permission when using someone else's photo of themselves. Otherwise, they're opening themselves up for legal trouble.
By using, for example, ND, they don't have to ask me for permission, and at the same time, I also give them the guarantee I will not go after them… as long as it is not a derivative.
The problem with ND is: there's a bunch of copyright exceptions that make ND moot in a lot of cases. I will still be able to use your photos in a parody, for example.
More importantly, people who you *really* want to stop from "modifying" your work (or, well, creating derivatives), will almost certainly just ignore the license anyway.
So my next question is: what *exactly* are you trying to protect your work from, by using ND?
(2/3) IIRC, his attorney advised not to sue because the way the derivates were made can be interpreted in various ways, not to mention the license was CC-BY-SA. It was also not easy to prove that it was an attack.
In the end, this person denounced all CC licenses because of this experience. Not just for his photos, but also for his other works. A lot of people using CC licenses back then, also did the same. Only few CC / Free Culture supporters remained.
(3/3) While yes, photos of people used in a way that is demeaning to them or implies they're endorsing a product, may be a violation, it is untested in courts (at least locally).
So, for me, at least in local context, it's better to restrict it to ND for that extra legal basis if something similar happens to me.
ah, that's fair. I think the crucial thing here is the fact that the photographer themselves (or people close to them) were on these photos. I can see how ND-as-an-insurance-policy-against-that-kind-of-abuse *can* make some sense.
That's a very specific, limited scope. But it's an important one nonetheless.
I kinda feel this is something that privacy-related laws should handle, but we're obviously not there yet.
Yep. And when it comes to privacy, many politicians are only paying a lip service. Or, new laws that doesn't do much at all.
Still a long way to go. Though I think the EU is leaps ahead?
It's also sad that when it comes to court cases, it's either there was precedent already (and it's in your favor), or, you have the money and time to spend.
’UPDATE: highlighted the harmfulness of incompatibility of “no derivatives” licenses with libre licenses (including other CC-licenses); heartfelt thanks to Carlos Solís for the Spanish translation. ¡G
Great article. ND is the less used of CC licenses. I only use it for specific cases, like I mentioned earlier, photos of me. And yes, I did come across uses of ND that did not make sense, at least as far as the author's “explanation” or purpose is concerned.
> Just enjoying our conversation, trying to understand how and why people use NC and ND.
No worries. I enjoy the exchange too. This type of discourse is rare in Twitter and Facebook, you usually end up with trolls and people who are easily offended.
haha, makes sense! My experience here (over the last ~5y) has been pretty great in that department. People don't seem to be easily offended (most of the time, there are always outliers), and are in for a conversation, not for a shouting match.
If they don't know how copyright works, why do you expect them to know how CC works. Surely, they have to put the effort in to find out either. I don't believe non-commercial is problematic if people put the work in to understand what they are doing.
> If they don't know how copyright works, why do you expect them to know how CC works.
I don't. CC By-SA makes very few demands on the person using a particular piece. A tiny bit more than CC By, granted, but it is still leaps and bounds clearer and easier to figure out than NC.
It also creates way fewer situations where somebody might need to contact the author and ask for a separate license. While offering meaningful protection from corporate appropriation.
@Rysiekúr Memesson 🇺🇦 @Per Axbom Does SA apply to the whole work? I'll have to read it again (or listen to myself read it 😃).
I've always had the impression that it binds more like a weak copyleft and that media content in general is treated more like e.g. a film or a book with pictures is an aggregation of things that go into it.
In this particular case I'm also truly myself of the conviction that people can use it when consulting, to show the concept of the Fediverse. Just not print and sell copies of it.
Thinking like that it makes sense to drop the NC :)
Plus, some people *will* print and sell it anyway, regardless of the license. These people will just ignore the terms anyway, be it NC or SA or whatever else.
Finally, all CC licenses allow you to be very clear how the attribution needs to look. You can be very specific about how it needs to be placed, etc, on a printed rendition, for example. Perhaps that's a way to deal with that issue as well, while switching to SA: https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode#s3a
Remember an author retains the right to change the licence s/he has put her/his work under. Even with an -nc licence, the NGO of your example can still contact the author to get an explicit authorization to use her/his work and create derivate works.
finding the author's contact, writing them, and then *waiting for the answer* is prohibitive in many, especially precarious/non-profit creative processes.
*could* i have asked xkcd to drop the nc from their battery-horse-staple comic to include it in some educational material that was printed and given away for donations? _very_ theoretically 😅😅😅
on the other hand *no one* took my excellent cc-zero or cc-by-sa materials to extract the maximum profit, which is a little bit insulting to be quite honest 😑
A tricky one. IIRC, Creative Commons itself consider "commercial" as referring to selling the work by itself; or if in a collection, part of the price includes said work. (If the work is part of a collection but the price does not include the NC work, it's fine too… but tricky to prove.)
Websites, blogs, which contain advertisements, are not considered "commercial". Although there are entities and individuals who do.
yeah, that's precisely my point: it is unclear, and the assumptions of the author and whoever is considering to use the work will almost certainly not match 100%.
Hello and thanks for the visual. You might want to take out Plume bc on their site they say they are no longer active maintaining it and referring people to other sites.
I feel there is a balance here where I do not want to confuse people with too many protocols, but yes, Matrix should ideally deserve its own tree. I have another iteration planned for tomorrow. I’ll see if it makes the cut.
Matrix is not connected to the Fediverse (ActivityPub), it is on its own network/protocol.
A separate tree is more fitting.
Would be cool to see a Matrix tree, it's so hard to keep track of which services federated with Matrix -- and how much federation was implemented (one way; two way; account creation). Server blocks/bans are also frequent. (LIke the flagship server, other servers blocked it.)
#Goldfish is a brand new project created by @stux as a FOSS replacement for platforms like TikTok & Vine.
Development has started a few days ago and the first rought draft is online at https://goldfish.
so can Mastodon talk to NextCloud? If so, what can I do with that? How is PixelFed different than Mastodon? I'm a computer nerd and kinda embarrassed I havent fully grasped the fediverse.
It is part of version 1.2 now. Thanks. It was embarassing to have missed that the first time around. As a podcaster I have been following Castopod development.
It's Friday and version 1.2 of "The many branches of the Fediverse" is published. Thanks everyone for your interest and engagement.
There is a changelog at the bottom of the post with more info, and you are welcome to download hi-res PNG and PDF versions of the diagram.
Do feel free to use this visual in any way you like, in your presentations, publish in your own spaces, etceteras. I'm just glad if you find it useful.
As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
Yes, they both have events. They also both have file/photo management. And they both are capable blogging (macro) platforms. Hubzilla and later projects support the DAV protocols so you can use them as cloud storage with integrated permissions. I've been disappointed at fediverse categorisation software which only permits assigning one category to a project, because everything I've created spills across several.
oh, that looks great! Do you plan to update the list of applications - in and not in the diagram - from time to time, or is the link to the Wikipedia page the simplest and final solution to being complete?
For the book part e.g. I noticed #inventaire (.io) missing.
I have received so many ideas for development of the diagram I know it will be literally impossible to give a true representation of the Fediverse. But also, the Fediverse Wikipedia entry is only part of the truth. I have come across more protocols and applications than that page covers. Matrix, XMPP, Solid, for instance.
Someone added my diagram to the Wikipedia entry, so that’s still now a good source, though 😅
Es ist Freitag und Version 1.2 von "Die vielen Zweige des Fediversums" ist veröffentlicht. Vielen Dank an alle für euer Interesse und Engagement.
Es gibt ein Änderungsprotokoll am Ende des Beitrags mit weiteren Informationen, und Sie können gerne hochauflösende PNG- und PDF-Versionen des Diagramms herunterladen.
Ihr könnt das Diagramm gerne in euren Präsentationen verwenden, in euren eigenen Bereichen veröffentlichen, usw. Ich freue mich einfach, wenn Sie es nützlich finden.
@Per Axbom This is so great! Love the little trees.
The next little tree could be the XMPP Microblogging tree, with Libervia and Movim in it.
It is about to become more relevant, as @Goffi is actively working on a bridge between XMPP Microblogging and ActivityPub, effectively bringing Libervia and Movim into the Fediverse.
hey indeed #XMPP should be in the diagram, the gateway is functional even if not stable yet. I've started a blog post about it that I should publish early next week.
It can already be put in `write freely`, `networking` and `events` sections, and probably other will come in future.
I absolutely love this and can't thank you enough for providing such an awesome description. If possible, wondering if you can put that description somewhere in the post? I just don't want to lose it if I use the image and since I'm using an iOS client here, not sure how best to extract the alt.
Thank you Steve. That is a good point. I was disappointed by the limit on characters in ALT-texts on my Ghost blog, but I can absolutely add it inside the post somehow.
I’ve worked with digital accessibility since the early 2000s. Making my content accessible is important to me, so thank you for reaching out.
As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
Thank you for all the support and interest around my diagram. I also see lots of questions.
A heads up that most questions are answered if you click through and read the linked blog post.
Happy to answer q’s that are not answered in the blog post, and I’ll start on that on Monday. But no need to wait on that if you can find the answer in the blog post 😉
Thanks also to everyone helping me out with clarifications.
As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
a different question. I saw that the Linode install guide uses docker. Does that mean that if needed people can upgrade the hardware just by installing the container it?
@amunizp @Per Axbom identi.ca was running laconi.ca, which was renamed StatusNet. That software is now GNU Social, which is in the tree.
It supported OpenMicroBlogger and then OStatus.
In 2013 identi.ca switched from StatusNet to pump.io, which used its own unnamed protocol. ActivityPub was based on that, but pump.io still uses ActivityStreams v1 and ActivityPub is based on ActivityStreams v2.
As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
@gotosocial Thanks. XMPP was mentioned in the post. Considering adding it as its own tree in the next iteration. I’ve since added a mention of GoToSocial in the post as well.
Great work, thank you. I assume this is released under some sort of free license such as creative commons, are you perhaps able to make it clear how this can be used please.
I will take some to the STEM Group meeting at Paignton Library on Saturday started to have a stack of posters etc on the door to a cupboard, so these all help and help start conversations.
I was discussing social media, data and privacy on Saturday so will carry with this
Thank you. As you also bring up Matrix and Diaspora in there, would there be a chance to also list Federated Wiki? We're around since 2011 and it's still working nicely.
@infinite love ⴳ @Per Axbom It does OStatus and ActivityPub out of the box. AP is structured as a plugin but it's in the main repo and DMs assume you'll be using AP.
so do we actually see Diaspora as the tree unto itself? That seems extremely sad, actually, as they were sounding the alarm, long before Mastodon came into being.
@Thomas Cherryhomes @Per Axbom It is sad, but they went with their own protocol which was very similar and partly one-way compatible with OStatus, instead of building on OStatus.
In the modern era they have rejected ActivityPub entirely.
I was wondering who made this, I had seen it *somewhere* and bookmarked it. Thanks for making it! I've added it to my own instances info/about page. It's super informative and explains it better than I could. Kudos to you!
Thanks, Socialhome was already in the picture you commented. 😉
Zot is mentioned in the blog post since version 1.1. In version 1.2 you can see the connections between protocols. Zot is not its own tree yet though. Still have to figure out how far I want to go. Will never be possible to cover everything and make it reasonably welcoming to peruse.
that's really interesting to see diaspora is part of the fediverse, I felt like the lack of connection between pods/instances was why it didn't kill Facebook.
Castopod is a free and open-source hosting platform made for podcasters. Engage and interact with your audience whilst keeping control over your content.
thank you, thank you, thank you. I just read through the article you linked, and I learned so much. I now know what people mean when they mention an instance (yay!).
I am searching for an alternative to Instagram (I have about +5K to "export") and Facebook. I also want an alternative to Z-library beyond Genesis. Something like them in the Fediverse?
People often say that the FB-like on Fedi is Friendica. I'm on Friendica and I don't entirely agree, but it's certainly more FB-like than Mastodon, Pleroma or MissKey are. It's visually oriented around conversations and the original posts that start them rather than being a stream of equally treated comments.
My brain is calmer on Friendica than on Mastodon, Pleroma or MissKey. It doesn't encourage the dopamine flow and the FOMO the same way.
As more and more people are asking me about Mastodon I felt a need for a picture to point at, showcasing how the software known as Mastodon fits into the much larger concept of the Fediverse.
Things may have changed since I started compiling that, and some things may have been inaccessible.
In particular, the very nature of the fediverse means some toots may never have made it to my instance, in which case I can't see them, and can't include them.
The chart will eventually be deleted, so if you'd like to keep it, make sure you download a copy.
Wow. I am so new to all of this! This is really helpful thank you. I have to remind myself that it's more like exploring a country than a small town and I don't have to (nor do I have the capacity to) explore it all in one day! Looking forward to getting to know all of the different areas slowly 🙏😁
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •If, for example, Twitter and Facebook implements ActivityPub, it is up to the server admins to decide if they will block them or not.
But, as ActivityPub is a protocol (and a webstandard), no one can truly exclude anyone from the Fediverse.
The best (or worse?) that can happen is a particular platform/software includes a block by default, so when all other servers update, they will acquire that block. (It will definitely cause a lot of heated discussions too.)
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You can download PNG and PDF versions on my blog post, which also has a bit more info and links to the applications.
Download for free and use as you please. Preferably to spread the word about the benefits of federated publishing and local instances. 😊
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in reply to Oblomov • • •But I guess you could achieve this with the PDF.
@erikkemp
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to Per Axbom • • •However... would you be open to a conversation about the license?
I've done some copyright trainings in the past, and based on my and others' experience I believe that -NC is problematic. And that for most people and works, -SA would be more effective in achieving what they are often trying to achieve through -NC.
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in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •But I also usually have NC in combination with this. You would suggest not having NC at all? My though when adding this for my blogs is to avoid people making books to sell with my content.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to Per Axbom • • •The problem with NC is that it is vague and undefined. For example: can Wikipedia use an NC-licensed work? Wikipedia is supported by donations, and one *could* argue their use is therefore "commercial" in some sense. So Wikipedia avoids NC.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Imagine an NGO that got grant money to promote the Fediverse. Can they use your fantastic work (with attribution, of course!)? NC does not make it clear, and if I were running that project, I would probably decide not to risk it.
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •SA solves this better in some ways. For example, no Big Corp would ever take an SA-licensed work and use it in an ad campaign or a product, film, etc, because they would have to release the whole thing under SA. Not gonna happen.
I totally get your "I don't want people to make books with my content"…
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •And there is a reasonable chance they will pay me anyway, so that I produce more of new juicy content for them to publish.
That's obviously a very personal take, but I think it's worth considering.
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Say a school wants to get a license to include the Fediverse Tree in their text-book, they can close a deal. The original NC licensed work is retained; and only this school, granted with a separate license, can print it for commercial purposes.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 • • •But that's *still* plenty friction and potential risk for whoever wants to use the work.
Instead of just using the work to teach the kids, the teacher must now *first* reach out to the author and receive a specific license. They also must *know* this is an option. They also must know how to do get in touch with the author. They also must wait for the response (unclear how long).
@axbom
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •The best re-users can do is to ask for permission/license (if the license isn't clear). As long as Copyright laws exist, it is unavoidable. It's not ideal.
I have CCBYSA and PD/CC0 works. But I also release a few under ND and NC. Some "All Rights Reserved" (usually photography) for stock sites selling (they don't like CC).
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 • • •My whole point is that in a lot of cases, demanding this kind of knowledge and patience of people who might want to use one's work (say, by using -NC) is unreasonable, and actually goes *against* what the author actually wants to achieve with that license.
And that -SA largely avoids that.
@axbom
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Whenever I use NC and/or ND, as the creator, my intention was to protect my work.
If my intention is to have it distributed and re-used as wide as possible, then I use SA or PD.
For example, in my country, Copyright infringement is sadly a thing, even in the corporate world. I prefer to protect some of my work first before I worry about how many would reuse it.
Ironically, for SA/PD works, those are the ones I get requests.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 • • •I find it interesting that you acknowledge that copyright infringement is wide-spread ("even in the corporate world"), and then conclude you will protect your work by using NC or ND. I think it's safe to assume copyright infringers will ignore these terms just like they ignore other licensing terms.
@axbom
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •And that's where the license comes in, protection. They can freely re-share, re-distribute, as long as it is NC. In the case of ND, as long as it is not a derivative. Compared to “All Rights Reserved”, I'm practically saying, “no, you can not re-share, re-distribute, no matter what”.
@axbom
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 • • •> Compared to “All Rights Reserved”, I'm practically saying, “no, you can not re-share, re-distribute, no matter what”.
"All rights reserved" is *by definition* more strict than any CC license, even CC By NC ND. Are you saying that with NC or ND you "protect" your work more than if you released it under "All rights reserved"?
@axbom
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •All Rights Reserved = you can't do all of it.
NC = you can re-share / re-distribute except for commercial purposes.
ND = you can re-share / re-distribute except for creating a derivative.
NC or ND gives you more protection than Copyleft CC-licenses.
@axbom
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 • • •♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •In many Asian countries, we don't have a "Fair Use" policy as is known in the US. Some have something similar which no one tested, some just doesn't have anything.
@axbom
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •By using, for example, ND, they don't have to ask me for permission, and at the same time, I also give them the guarantee I will not go after them… as long as it is not a derivative.
@axbom
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 • • •The problem with ND is: there's a bunch of copyright exceptions that make ND moot in a lot of cases. I will still be able to use your photos in a parody, for example.
More importantly, people who you *really* want to stop from "modifying" your work (or, well, creating derivatives), will almost certainly just ignore the license anyway.
So my next question is: what *exactly* are you trying to protect your work from, by using ND?
@axbom
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •I'll use an example for the other question. I know someone who used to support CC, that he released all his photos under CC-BY-SA.
One day, someone re-used his photo (photo of photographer/himself) and created all derivatives that may, or may not, suggest sexual innuendo.
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •In the end, this person denounced all CC licenses because of this experience. Not just for his photos, but also for his other works. A lot of people using CC licenses back then, also did the same. Only few CC / Free Culture supporters remained.
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •So, for me, at least in local context, it's better to restrict it to ND for that extra legal basis if something similar happens to me.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 • • •That's a very specific, limited scope. But it's an important one nonetheless.
I kinda feel this is something that privacy-related laws should handle, but we're obviously not there yet.
Thanks for the food for thought!
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Still a long way to go. Though I think the EU is leaps ahead?
It's also sad that when it comes to court cases, it's either there was precedent already (and it's in your favor), or, you have the money and time to spend.
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 • • •Agreed on the court cases. Privacy should not only be available to the rich.
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 • • •This is particularly stark with ND. I honestly believe there is zero reason to use it, ever:
https://rys.io/en/101.html
It's basically completely ineffective in what people using it think it achieves.
It's a bit less stark with NC, but it's still there, mainly due to the ambiguity of "non-commercial". Everyone understands this term differently.
@axbom
Why I find -ND unnecessary and harmful
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in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •@axbom
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 • • •And just to be clear, I am not trying to convince you to stop using ND on your photos. It's none of my business and it's obviously only your decision.
Just enjoying our conversation, trying to understand how and why people use NC and ND.
@axbom
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •No worries. I enjoy the exchange too. This type of discourse is rare in Twitter and Facebook, you usually end up with trolls and people who are easily offended.
^_^
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Mark Harris
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to Mark Harris • • •I don't. CC By-SA makes very few demands on the person using a particular piece. A tiny bit more than CC By, granted, but it is still leaps and bounds clearer and easier to figure out than NC.
It also creates way fewer situations where somebody might need to contact the author and ask for a separate license. While offering meaningful protection from corporate appropriation.
@youronlyone @axbom
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in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •I've always had the impression that it binds more like a weak copyleft and that media content in general is treated more like e.g. a film or a book with pictures is an aggregation of things that go into it.
Per Axbom
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Thinking like that it makes sense to drop the NC :)
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Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Plus, some people *will* print and sell it anyway, regardless of the license. These people will just ignore the terms anyway, be it NC or SA or whatever else.
Finally, all CC licenses allow you to be very clear how the attribution needs to look. You can be very specific about how it needs to be placed, etc, on a printed rendition, for example. Perhaps that's a way to deal with that issue as well, while switching to SA:
https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/legalcode#s3a
Creative Commons — Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International — CC BY-SA 4.0
creativecommons.orgAgarwaën
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to Agarwaën • • •That said, that *is* another step to take, and there *is* a (perceived) chance the author says "no". So it *is* a risk, still.
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malte
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •*could* i have asked xkcd to drop the nc from their battery-horse-staple comic to include it in some educational material that was printed and given away for donations? _very_ theoretically 😅😅😅
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in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Websites, blogs, which contain advertisements, are not considered "commercial". Although there are entities and individuals who do.
Best would be to ask, like you did.
Again, iirc. ^_^
Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 • • •@axbom
MMS21 🏜️🐫
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Mina
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Akkoma Documentation
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in reply to Mina • • •Per Axbom
in reply to Mina • • •Heidi Li Feldman
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Per Axbom
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in reply to Heidi Li Feldman • • •@Heidi Li Feldman @Per Axbom
Steve Foerster 🇩🇲
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Per Axbom
in reply to Steve Foerster 🇩🇲 • • •Olivier Azeau
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Per Axbom
in reply to Olivier Azeau • • •Thanks :)
♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Olivier Azeau • • •A separate tree is more fitting.
Would be cool to see a Matrix tree, it's so hard to keep track of which services federated with Matrix -- and how much federation was implemented (one way; two way; account creation). Server blocks/bans are also frequent. (LIke the flagship server, other servers blocked it.)
Debbie Goldsmith 🏳️⚧️🏳️🌈
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Goldfish (@Goldfish@mstdn.social)
Mastodon 🐘Miakoda
in reply to Per Axbom • • •If so, what can I do with that?
How is PixelFed different than Mastodon? I'm a computer nerd and kinda embarrassed I havent fully grasped the fediverse.
Ji Fu
in reply to Miakoda • • •Arco
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Per Axbom
in reply to Arco • • •@Castopod
Ale Munin
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Recommend me starting where?
Daniel Schildt
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Not fully sure of the original author though. :(
Per Axbom
in reply to Daniel Schildt • • •Daniel Schildt
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Per Axbom
in reply to Per Axbom • • •There is a changelog at the bottom of the post with more info, and you are welcome to download hi-res PNG and PDF versions of the diagram.
Do feel free to use this visual in any way you like, in your presentations, publish in your own spaces, etceteras. I'm just glad if you find it useful.
https://axbom.com/fediverse/
#FediTips
The many branches of the Fediverse
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •Per Axbom
in reply to Jack :arch: :vim: :suckless: • • •You may want to read this announcement:
https://nextcloud.com/blog/no-need-to-trust-musk-we-go-federated-with-nextcloud-social/
Trust in Musk or go federated with Nextcloud Social! - Nextcloud
Jos Poortvliet (Nextcloud)Jack :arch: :vim: :suckless:
in reply to Per Axbom • • •sergio_101 has moved!
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in reply to sergio_101 has moved! • • •sergio_101 has moved!
in reply to Per Axbom • • •sergio_101 has moved!
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Peter Merikan 🇸🇪
in reply to Per Axbom • • •The AT Protocol
atproto.comPer Axbom
in reply to Peter Merikan 🇸🇪 • • •Peter Merikan 🇸🇪
in reply to Per Axbom • • •GunChleoc
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Friendica also has events, so you might want to swap that with Hubzilla and enlarge that bubble
Per Axbom
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in reply to GunChleoc • • •mike
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •Lisa L. Spangenberg
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Eric Redegeld💻🏎️☀️🙋💖
in reply to Per Axbom • • •AxWax
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Stefan
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Thank you, I really appreciate it.
Per Axbom
in reply to Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦 • • •Michał "rysiek" Woźniak · 🇺🇦
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Dr. Quadragon ❌
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Per Axbom
in reply to Dr. Quadragon ❌ • • •It is still mentioned on the blog post, with this information.
Alexey Skobkin
in reply to Per Axbom • • •peter kleiweg 🧩
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Per Axbom
in reply to peter kleiweg 🧩 • • •Blort™ 🐀Ⓥ🥷☣️
in reply to Per Axbom • • •@aleks
Per Axbom
in reply to Blort™ 🐀Ⓥ🥷☣️ • • •https://nextcloud.com/blog/no-need-to-trust-musk-we-go-federated-with-nextcloud-social/
@aleks
Trust in Musk or go federated with Nextcloud Social! - Nextcloud
Jos Poortvliet (Nextcloud)handowl
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Per Axbom
in reply to handowl • • •Arjan Boltjes
in reply to Per Axbom • • •For the book part e.g. I noticed #inventaire (.io) missing.
Per Axbom
in reply to Arjan Boltjes • • •Someone added my diagram to the Wikipedia entry, so that’s still now a good source, though 😅
Arjan Boltjes
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Luka Prinčič / Prince Lucija
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Per Axbom
in reply to Luka Prinčič / Prince Lucija • • •🏰Christophe S.❄IceEnchanter🦢
in reply to Per Axbom • • •I love it
In case you are interested to know, the last evolution of what was Friendica, then Hubzilla is Streams : https://codeberg.org/streams/streams
(there were some in between, but Streams seems to be the current "last leaf of Zot protocols (with ActivityPub compatibility))
streams
Codeberg.orgTony 📊
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Geku
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Es ist Freitag und Version 1.2 von "Die vielen Zweige des Fediversums" ist veröffentlicht. Vielen Dank an alle für euer Interesse und Engagement.
Es gibt ein Änderungsprotokoll am Ende des Beitrags mit weiteren Informationen, und Sie können gerne hochauflösende PNG- und PDF-Versionen des Diagramms herunterladen.
Ihr könnt das Diagramm gerne in euren Präsentationen verwenden, in euren eigenen Bereichen veröffentlichen, usw. Ich freue mich einfach, wenn Sie es nützlich finden.
CEbbinghaus
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •JP ✅
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in reply to JP ✅ • • •Ben
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •The next little tree could be the XMPP Microblogging tree, with Libervia and Movim in it.
It is about to become more relevant, as @Goffi is actively working on a bridge between XMPP Microblogging and ActivityPub, effectively bringing Libervia and Movim into the Fediverse.
https://www.goffi.org/b/activitypub-gateway-and-pubsub-e2ee-QGqK
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •Goffi
in reply to Per Axbom • • •It can already be put in `write freely`, `networking` and `events` sections, and probably other will come in future.
#activitypub #fediverse
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in reply to clacke: inhibited exhausted pixie dream boy 🇸🇪🇭🇰💙💛 • • •I agree that XMPP and all its flavors and applications would be a huge tree, but the narrower XMPP Microblogging would fit as a small tree.
Steve Sawczyn
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Per Axbom
in reply to Steve Sawczyn • • •I’ve worked with digital accessibility since the early 2000s. Making my content accessible is important to me, so thank you for reaching out.
I will let you know as soon as I’ve added it.
Per Axbom
in reply to Per Axbom • • •I’ve now added the full text of the image description at the bottom of the post.
It’s also linked in the image tagline.
https://axbom.com/fediverse/#longdesc
The many branches of the Fediverse
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •Steve Sawczyn
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Per Axbom
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Thank you for all the support and interest around my diagram. I also see lots of questions.
A heads up that most questions are answered if you click through and read the linked blog post.
Happy to answer q’s that are not answered in the blog post, and I’ll start on that on Monday. But no need to wait on that if you can find the answer in the blog post 😉
Thanks also to everyone helping me out with clarifications.
https://axbom.com/fediverse/
The many branches of the Fediverse
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •Voradams :verified:
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Andrés
in reply to Per Axbom • • •open microblogging protocol
Contributors to Wikimedia projects (Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.)Per Axbom
in reply to Andrés • • •Andrés
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Is o-status the same as statusNet?
I have forgotten most of the story. Maybe this helps:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_software_and_protocols_for_distributed_social_networking
I remember I also had a diaspora* account.
social networking server by E14N
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in reply to Andrés • • •It supported OpenMicroBlogger and then OStatus.
In 2013 identi.ca switched from StatusNet to pump.io, which used its own unnamed protocol. ActivityPub was based on that, but pump.io still uses ActivityStreams v1 and ActivityPub is based on ActivityStreams v2.
Per Axbom
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Among the changes:
Added XMPP. Added a line from GNUSocial to Ostatus. Added Zot as a tree and a line to Hubzilla. Added back Plume(!)
FYI: The blog post tells more about the thinking behind the diagram and how it is not intended to be a complete mapping of the #Fediverse.
PNG and PDF downloads are available for free usage:
https://axbom.com/fediverse/
#FediTips
The many branches of the Fediverse
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in reply to Aswath Rao • • •@Beantin and I have wanted to interview Tim Berners-Lee about Solid for years @uxpodcast
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •I assume this is released under some sort of free license such as creative commons, are you perhaps able to make it clear how this can be used please.
Just makes it easer, and saves people asking you.
Per Axbom
in reply to Paul Sutton • • •I’ve tried being clear by stating the license both on the image and in the blog post at the top 😊
Just in case:
CC BY-SA
Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International License.
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •I will take some to the STEM Group meeting at Paignton Library on Saturday started to have a stack of posters etc on the door to a cupboard, so these all help and help start conversations.
I was discussing social media, data and privacy on Saturday so will carry with this
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in reply to infinite love ⴳ • • •https://codeberg.org/GNUsocial/gnu-social/src/tag/v2.0.0beta0/RELEASE_NOTES.md
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in reply to Thomas Cherryhomes • • •In the modern era they have rejected ActivityPub entirely.
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣
in reply to Per Axbom • • •Its flagship server is at: https://socialhome.network
Also, #Hubzilla have its own protocol #Zot / #Zot6 which supports #portability of accounts (and others).
Socialhome HQ - Socialhome
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in reply to ♾️ Yuki (스노 雪亮) 🐬 🦣 • • •Zot is mentioned in the blog post since version 1.1. In version 1.2 you can see the connections between protocols. Zot is not its own tree yet though. Still have to figure out how far I want to go. Will never be possible to cover everything and make it reasonably welcoming to peruse.
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •Along with the 60-70 other fediverse apps and hundreds of developers quietly toiling for a brighter future; which you won't see here either.
As I pointed out yesterday - you can't see the forest through the trees.
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Unknown parent • • •Now they're saying it's 0.5.0-beta and they've said they want to make it release quality "later this year".
https://nextcloud.com/blog/no-need-to-trust-musk-we-go-federated-with-nextcloud-social/
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in reply to Nash-veh wuh tor-talsu • • •People often say that the FB-like on Fedi is Friendica. I'm on Friendica and I don't entirely agree, but it's certainly more FB-like than Mastodon, Pleroma or MissKey are. It's visually oriented around conversations and the original posts that start them rather than being a stream of equally treated comments.
My brain is calmer on Friendica than on Mastodon, Pleroma or MissKey. It doesn't encourage the dopamine flow and the FOMO the same way.
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in reply to Nash-veh wuh tor-talsu • • •(I know what Z-Library and Library Genesis are)
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •Might add yours alongside that one on the article!
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in reply to טליה (לשון את) 🎗️ • • •https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fediverse_branches_1.2.png
File:Fediverse branches 1.2.png - Wikimedia Commons
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in reply to Talya (she/her) 🏳️⚧️✡️ • • •The fediverse tree is now at version 2.0.
What would be the best way to keep this updated also on the Wikipedia page?
It feels presumptious of me to add it myself.
https://axbom.com/fediverse/
The many branches of the Fediverse
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •Chartodon
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Things may have changed since I started compiling that, and some things may have been inaccessible.
In particular, the very nature of the fediverse means some toots may never have made it to my instance, in which case I can't see them, and can't include them.
The chart will eventually be deleted, so if you'd like to keep it, make sure you download a copy.
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in reply to Per Axbom • • •https://docs.gotosocial.org/en/latest/
GoToSocial Documentation
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