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ActivityPub is not the only Fediverse protocol in town. Zot also allows decentralized social media.—and it has a game-changing feature: nomadic identity. 🏈

This is my experience using it 🧵

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1. Nomadic identity is my holy grail of decentralized social media. In a previous life, I worked on one attempt. Many have tried and failed.

So the fact Zot is not a proof of concept, and can actually be used by anyone is huge.

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2. If you want to know why I'm excited about Zot's implementation of nomadic identity, take a look at this screen shot.

Notice anything missing? A password field! A channel address is all that's needed for authentication.
Hubzilla remote authentication

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3. What makes Zot particularly nomadic is the ability to clone your channel. Upload a file or enter in credentials from another channel, and now you have true redundancy across multiple sites.
Import a channel

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4. Mastodon's big weakness is that it has a class system: admins and users. Admins own user personas, toots, personal data. This creates a hierarchy.

Nomadic identity, as implemented in Zot, fixes this problem.

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5. Even if you're an admin, you should love Zot. Channel redundancy means resistance to DDoS attacks. As well, if your webhost dislikes you and pulls the plug on your site, Zot gives you redundancy for channels you host

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6. So Zot is the future of decentralized social media, right? Unfortunately, Zot is in bad health. Its usage is in the decline. There are fewer instances now than a year ago.

The problem: Zot had too many projects, not enough focus.

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7. To their credit, devs know that Zot grew too complex for the average user. This is why they're ending support for many services. According to Mike Macgirvin, everything will be coalesced into Streams.

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8. Whatever Zot evolves into, I hope the focus remains on nomadic identity. I don't know if Hubzilla/Streams is the best implementation for it. I'm just impressed it works.

For this reason, I hope Zot continues to survive.

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9. It's imperative that the Fediverse comes to a consensus on nomadic identity.

The sooner that nomadic identity is implemented across all major platforms, the sooner that the Fediverse will no longer be in danger of re-centralizing. /END

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This sort of social network makes me think of BitMessage, which I think is still running. The entire notion of decentralized social media, except for BitMessage it's really just a kind of glorified email service, but the lessons from BTC are there. Everyone has a copy, there isn't a single point of attack or censorship, it's quite something.

Things like this inspire me, at least if there was hope for such new things in our world. A kind of fully distributed... everything.
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La gran debilidad de Mastodon es que tiene un sistema de clases: administradores y usuarios. Los administradores poseen personas de usuario, toots, datos personales. Esto crea una jerarquía.

La identidad nómada, tal como se implementa en Zot, soluciona este problema.

Well, the „ideal“ solution would be here for everyone to have their own instance.

Which in turn creates another segmentation because one needs skills and money to run it.
Let alone time for keeping it up to date.
But even that needs to be able to adapt to domain name changes, etc. That's the real holy grail of universal identity. The "unique" name is the UUID which the network knows how to map to a particular position's particular instance at any time. I'm not sure which if any solutions get that far yet. If one does could that be grafted onto the existing fediverse?

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Could as well go back to maintain hosts file locally 🙃
This is true, and it's a problem Hubzilla is encountering now. There are fewer instances now than a year ago. I just installed my own instance, so that somewhat betters the odds of survival but I make no guarantees for long term service.
this is an interesting point! Do you think coop-like organizations can counter this effect in a scalable manner, or there is no way around changing protocol at some point?
1. Generally, how social data is organized predicts what a social network becomes
2. Co-ops can be a good way to alleviate hierarchies, and this is something I'm investigating
3. If we want a true egalitarian system, we need to balance P2P data delivery with persistence
it looks like # is following your way
Reminds on IndieAuth 🤔
Nomadic identity is sort of unnecessary if you distribute instead of decentralize. 🤔
A distributed Internet is the natural end product of decentralization if done successfully.
Longer than I have time for right now, but not necessarily. The Baran paper on distribution vs decentralization makes the point better than me, in the 60s.
Ahhh, muy interesante, he escuchado que el codigo de ActivityPub es muy muy muy largo e icomprensible por eso.
i hadn't heard of hubzilla until a few weeks ago and put it on my list of "things to explore". it looks super interesting from what i've seen. i love your write-up on it as it helped add some clarity for me.
Wow! Super interesting. Thank you for posting this.
have you ever checked out It’s not quite as much federated as distributed, but it’s definitely nomadic!

oasis, feedless, planetary and manyverse are good clients for it, though there’s many more + patchwork has a certain place in my heart as the best client so far