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Hybrids are no solution to anything, just part of the problem.
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I'd love to see the switch to EVs happen overnight but it can't and won't in the mean time hybrids are a good transition but we really should focus on the EV future!

I'm considering getting a hybrid to replace my gasoline cars.

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Yes and No @Adam Hunt. They are better described as electric vehicles with a gasoline generator attached.

Oh and I should have said "I'm considering getting a plug-in hybrid to replace my gasoline cars.

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Also EVs have to be charged and it they are charged from electricity generated by fossil fuel electric generators that too is an issue.
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I'm in agreement with the article. EVs are the future and the government shouldn't subsidize hybrids or even PHEVs!
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Given my short and limited use of a car a PHEV would be perfect for me and would only use the gasoline engine for/if I have long distance travels which happens almost never these days but would be there for me as insurance. ;)
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In my experience, because hybrids are essentially a EV and a gasoline car system layered on top of each other, they are very heavy and inefficient. In many ways hybrids are the worst of both worlds - check the listed curb weight!
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In the hybrids I have been in the gasoline motor runs all the time that you exceed about 5 mph, so do take a test drive and make sure that it works in your use case. Keep in mind all that extra gasoline and hardware you are carrying around costs a lot of battery range, too.
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Trains are great and we are just getting a new commuter rail system built here, to be open soon, but I still won't be able to take a train to the grocery store and back.
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We need streetcars. We had them 100 years ago. We could have them now.

https://laist.com/shows/take-two/who-killed-las-streetcars-according-to-who-framed-roger-rabbit

The Golden Age of the Red Cars\
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The Red Car network had veins that connected far-flung stretches of Southern California – Santa Monica to San Bernardino, Newport Beach to Van Nuys, Pasadena to Long Beach and more.\
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Between it and the more local Yellow Car system, riders could ride on the rails on one of these streetcars to almost anywhere they wanted to.\
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"It was the most extensive urban rail transit system in America, if not the world," says historian Colin Marshall. "It's farther than even the most ambitious Metro plans you see today of what's going to happen in, like, 2050 or 2060 with the current wave of construction."
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Public mass transportation and EVs and Autonomous/rental/shared EVs for the off the beat travels
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As I said previously I don't understand this perception of hybrids unless you are talking about Prius type, non-plugin hybrids. Those have very small, lightweight battery packs and get 45 mpg burning gasoline all the time except at very low speeds. My plugin hybrid Volt never burns gasoline in our day to day driving. When on long trips my hybrid burns gasoline in a very efficient electric power generator so that despite the curb weight of the combined system I get around 45 mpg on those long trips. It's the mileage that counts, not the weight. Because of all the time running pure electric my lifetime gas mileage is well over 100 mpg.

Plugin hybrids are a great transition technology to get us eventually to true EVs given the chicken and egg nature of electric charging infrastructure and all-electric vehicle sales. Plugin hybrids are the best of both worlds.

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My plug in hybrid is total electric to the next town and back, 60mpg everywhere else.

One day, I may rip out the engine/hybrid unit and leave that AC motor below it and mount a thousand pounds worth of lithium iron phosphate batteries as well as a suspension upgrade. That system would last longer than me.

I've had a thousand pounds of lumber in the car many times as I often have the front seat out for hauling building supplies for my off grid property. I can fit 10 foot boards inside with the hatch closed. Can't do that with a truck!

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I just spent a week driving around in a Mustang MachE 100% EV and it was flawless. The car is spacious, with lots of leg and headroom, has lots of range, charges overnight on 240v from hydro power, has absolutely breathtaking acceleration and we never used more than half "throttle". No need to wait for EVs to get better, it is already here.
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Yes, there are some very nice EVs out there right now. I'm in the kick the tires stage. Been test driving but none have really hit the spot yet especially since traveling cross country takes a bit of extra planning. There are a few on the near horizon that I am waiting to try.

Really looking forward to all-electric driving. Power generation sources all meet in the grid so you're really only as clean as the total mix but with a nuke down the road I like to pretend our EV miles are nuclear powered.

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I'm not aware of an EV I would buy today. Too much touch screen and ill designed computers and not enough basic ergonomics that were optimized decades ago.
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Too much touch screen and ill designed computers and not enough basic ergonomics that were optimized decades ago.


Well that is certainly true. I would like manual window winders!

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I had a nuclear powered (electric) lawn mower back when I lived in Toronto!

Personally I think hybrids, even plugin-hybrids are an enormous waste of unnecessary complexity. Also there isn't a one of them available today with a big enough battery to really make sense. Too many compromises in engineering and design. Of course any internal combustion engine is a horrible waste. A stupid idea taken to the limit. All too much energy goes right out the tail pipe without even enough thrust to be measured. Sure, I know, let's harness 20% of the energy from exploding petroleum products and turn it into mechanical force! That'll be good enough!

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I agree about the battery sizes in plugins. It was very frustrating in the early days to read that carmakers saw some stats about "most" people living within 10 miles of work and decided 20 miles of electric was enough. That leaves out all the people on the other half of the bell curve! Give me a plugin with 100 miles, hell, 80 miles of electric range and I'd be ecstatic.I suppose with hybrids' extra machinery the extra batteries just look like too much.

Our first Volt often saw over 60 miles in the summer. This second one with 65,000 miles is lucky to get over 50 when it's hot out but still that almost covers all our day to day town driving.

After test driving some I must agree with @𝕕𝕚𝕒𝕟𝕖𝕒 🏳️‍⚧️. Hey. Give me back my knobs and buttons so I can operate the car by feel and not have to gaze in stupefaction at yet another screen -- CRASH!!